BB's EV
In 40% of the cases BB will win the $3 pot.
In the other 60% of the cases he will fold and win/lose nothing.
That makes BB's EV 40%*$3*60%*$0=$1.2.

SB's EV
In 60% of the cases SB will win the $1.5 pot.
In the other 40% he will lose the $1.5 he's putting in to raise to 2.
That makes SB's EV 60%*$1.5-40%*$1.5=$0.30.

All EVs always add up to the pot
Please note that SB's and BB's EV add up to the pot.
$1.2+$0.30=$1.50, which is indeed the size of the pot at SB's decision.
This is always the case in any part of the tree.
That's because the $1.5 that's in the pot is what the two players are fighting over.
BB ends up winning $1.2 of the $1.5 pot, SB wins the remaining $0.30.

But this doesn't seem to apply to BB's raise/fold decision (where the pot is $3)?
It applies here as well, it's just that the "Fold" branch doesn't show that SB's EV is $3, since he wins the $3 pot.
SB's EV for that decision is 40%*$0+60%*3=$1.80.
And that makes the sum of the EVs $1.2+$1.8=$3, which is indeed the size of the pot.

Thank you very much for the explanation.

I think the thing that's eluding me is, I'm trying to useg the EV numbers to see who the situation is profitable for.
Or, I'm trying to deduce who should be doing what; based on said EV numbers.


For instance, in this case we know that SB should raise ATC.
I get how you got the EV numbers, it's just that they by themselves kind of murky the fact that SB should raise ATC.

Even though it's obvious he'll win 0.3bbs on average compared to the 99.5 he starts with.

This entire example would show that SB will on average end up with 99.8 bbs, and BB with 100.2 bbs stacks. And that's actually good for BB....

It's profitable for both players, because the pot is offering an overlay of $1.5.
Of this pot, SB wins $0.30 and BB wins $1.20. Whenever there is a pot in the middle of the table, the question becomes who wins which share of the pot.

Heads-up or multi-way?
If this is a, let's say, 10-handed game and everyone folded to the SB, then both blinds should be lucky that they are winning back some of the blinds they posted.

If this is a heads-up game, then it becomes a matter of winning back the blind you posted. So the SB would need to win back his post of $0.50 and the BB would need to win back his post of $1. In this particular case, the situation would therefore be profitable for BB since, from the start of the hand, he wins $0.20.

Strategy EV
To see how each player is doing as measured from the start of the hand (prior to posting the blinds) turn on "Settings->Display strategy EV sb vs bb". Now, in the upper left of the preflop field it will show how much each player will win/lose in this hand in the long run. It will show that SB loses 20 cents for every hand and BB wíns 20 cents.

Thank you for your help, Scylla!

Is there a way to manually edit the hands displays within the pop-up.


At the moment I'm having to take a screenshot of the pop-up then double click all hands and develop a range from scratch not knowing without the screenshot which hands are +EV and which are even within my range as shown below.

No, it's not possible to edit the popup.
That's just a method for output.
What I can do though is to add additional functionality to the starting hand selector that should let you accomplish what you're looking for.

Thank you for the feedback!

Thanks.
I'm not sure if this is around but on-mass suit selection would be good when picking hands. Holding down alt or something so you can set all suited cards you select to spades. I'm unsure how to select a specific suit individually for one combination either without manually doing so for each combination by entering Ad3d etc within the range input.

It would be nice to take a part of decision tree and be able to calculate it trough using EV Run (F7) instead of having to replicate it in flop/turn decision trees. Like adding a checkpoint for EV run on certain decision point. Maybe it's possible and I just don't know how to.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
Pressing F7 calculates the entire tree within at most a few seconds.
I don't think there's a lot to be gained by just calculating a part of a tree.
Or maybe I misunderstand what you're saying?

I'll see what I can do.

example:
18men bubble 40,30,20,10 3k stacks all 200/100/ 25 level

why is CRev giving me appr. 500% 3bet ranges of villains opening range

and Holdemressources only gives me appr. 150% 3bet range of villains opening range, given calling ranges are the same.

Here in this example cr would give 100% 3bet range:
http://gyazo.com/e571c857d45676b7fb5475f71da33711

I have asked before I think, but will CRev benefit a tourney player? I guess this poster is using it for tournies. is there a trial period for CRev?

It's probably easiest if you mail a savefile to support.

CardRunnersEV is an open-ended decision tree based calculator. It indeed does offer tournament calculations. Other than that, like a regular calculator, what you get out of it depends on how you use it.

CardRunnersEV offers an infinite trial.
You can try it as long as you like.
A restriction in tournament mode though is that you can only use a 70/20/10 prize structure.
Fwiw, I would recommend using the beta if you're new to the software.
You can download it here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html
Click on "Click here for the beta of the software".

anything is wrong with Crev here 18men bubble:

http://gyazo.com/ebab80b5580222379b1ea16dda111245

*****
problem solved

Yes, you still needed to add the non-active players.
Right now it wasn't 18men but 2men.
I guess that was the issue?
I've done my best to make the settings in tournament mode clear by adding the mini-tournament screen in the lower left.

no i added the remaining players, but not in the window where you have to set the price structure...thats bit confusing...

No you can add those players in the prize structure window.
Press Ctrl+F3.
The two columns on the left are for the non-active players.

here are 2 situations in the first BB river cbet have 1 value to 0.2 bluff and we on the button call with bluff catchers.

The second situation, all the same, only BB river cbet have 1 value to 0.5 bluff combos and we call with the same range.



Purpose of these calculations to see difference in ev between this lines
we are interested in s entire line, not on what that particular street
I have a few questions:
1.What means EV on preflop (1.59 or 0.64)
2.where exactly will look EV entire line, not a single Street of
3.in our examples, the only difference is in the range of the river, where we see the difference s these lines(on preflop or river)?
4.Which means that EV on each of the streets, and how program calculate it ?
thank you in advance for your reply

This preflop data is calculated in full knowledge that the board will become Js9c8h4c2h.
Given that in reality you actually dón't know this, all of the data on the preflop/flop/turn can be ignored here.
You should really only be looking at the river data in this tree.

There is no such thing as an EV of an entire line.
That's just a concept that doesn't exist.
There is only the EV of a decision.
And the EV of each decision is given in the lower left of each node.
So for example, the EV of BB's decision to Bet 39.5 or fold is $32.38.
These EVs include future actions of BB and Button.

I don't understand your question.
Yes, the only difference that I can tell is the range that is used on the river.
When this data changes, all the EVs in all the nodes that are affected by this decision will change.

Once again, you can completely ignore the data preflop, on the flop and turn.
This data has been calculated with advance knowledge of how the board will run out.
The only relevant data in a tree is the last phase where the board cards are known.
All other data is just provided because ... it's available.

Not that important of a question, but does the beta not have an auto update feature?
Sometimes my CREV load up screen will dissapear until I update manually from website.

Now that you mention it ... I don't think the startup program notices new betas. It only checks for new alphas. Kind of an oversight on my end. I'll see if I can do anything about that for the next release. Sorry about that.

No worries! Not that big of a deal really, just confusing at it doesn't really alert you and just closes itself down without any information.

Well, the new version that's up right now doés realize thís.
But weirdly enough, I haven't thought of making it check for a new beta, which is really what the beta version should be checking fór.
Right now it just checks for a new alpha.
A pretty big oversight on my end there, so thanks for pointing that out.