[GTO] GTO+/CardRunnersEV?
10-28-2016
, 07:15 AM
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There's no dedicated function for this, but it can be done with a scipt.
See the screenshot below for SB varying his frequency and BB applying max exploit:
And see below for the graph where BB varies his calling frequency and SB applies max exploit:
Of course, for what you're looking to do you'd need to apply a transformation for the results of the second graph, so that BB's frequency is on the Y-axis (so all you would need to do is switch the X and Y columns so that they become Y and X). After that it should be possible to plot them in a single graph, for example in Excel.
One more thing to consider is that the frequency unfortunately still does not tell you which particular hands are in the top X% for that shove. This is not a fault of CardRunnersEV, but rather the fact that no ranking is defined here. Just saying that SB should shove the top 10% of hands unfortunately still does not tell us which hands those are. The same applies to setting a calling frequency for BB and making SB apply max exploit. In the examples above I have just used the standard ranking. Although it will not give you the exact equilibrium, it will bring you reasonably close to it.
That being said, should you not be aware of it, CardRunnersEV contains an equilibrium solver that can figure out the equilibrium for you. So it's not necessary to do this for yourself by hand. CardRunnersEV can figure out the equilibrium for you on the push of a button. For more on the solver, please see the videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html
Cheers,
Scylla
See the screenshot below for SB varying his frequency and BB applying max exploit:
And see below for the graph where BB varies his calling frequency and SB applies max exploit:
Of course, for what you're looking to do you'd need to apply a transformation for the results of the second graph, so that BB's frequency is on the Y-axis (so all you would need to do is switch the X and Y columns so that they become Y and X). After that it should be possible to plot them in a single graph, for example in Excel.
One more thing to consider is that the frequency unfortunately still does not tell you which particular hands are in the top X% for that shove. This is not a fault of CardRunnersEV, but rather the fact that no ranking is defined here. Just saying that SB should shove the top 10% of hands unfortunately still does not tell us which hands those are. The same applies to setting a calling frequency for BB and making SB apply max exploit. In the examples above I have just used the standard ranking. Although it will not give you the exact equilibrium, it will bring you reasonably close to it.
That being said, should you not be aware of it, CardRunnersEV contains an equilibrium solver that can figure out the equilibrium for you. So it's not necessary to do this for yourself by hand. CardRunnersEV can figure out the equilibrium for you on the push of a button. For more on the solver, please see the videos here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html
Cheers,
Scylla
Cheers
10-30-2016
, 04:53 AM
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What I'm suggesting is I build a valid decision tree just like normally, all the way to the river and (possible) showdown. Let's say I import a hand where I took a call down line after seeing the flop. I have a known hand, I give villain a range and maybe some alternative lines on different parts of his range. I click F7 and get some equities and an EV on my flop line decision. But since the full board is known, it doesn't tell me whether my flop decision was actually good. I'd like to be able to click a "realtime" button, after which the flop (and turn and river) EV is calculated based on my line but with only the info (i.e. cards) available at that time. That way I could easily see, for example, that my flop decision was good, but since the Qc fell on turn my equities and EV go way down and I should have folded that card.
I realize I can get the flop info by removing the turn and river cards. But once I do that and get the real EV on my flop decision, I need to re-enter the board if I want to fine-tune some later streets.
Or, I start building my lines with a know flop (all decisions till a possible showdown). I wish to see how would the Kh on turn and Qs on the river work for me -> my flop decision EV now gets recalculated even though I didn't know those cards were going to come. Also I forget what my EV and equities were on the flop, so I remove the cards and recalculate on flop cards only.
Some of this can be handled by the layer system, but I find it a bit tough to use.
I hope I got my idea through; I certainly have a lousy track record on that lately on the 2+2 sw forum
As I said, this would be more useful for tracking how the equities are affected by certain cards, but I can see some merit for the line EV analysis also.
I realize I can get the flop info by removing the turn and river cards. But once I do that and get the real EV on my flop decision, I need to re-enter the board if I want to fine-tune some later streets.
Or, I start building my lines with a know flop (all decisions till a possible showdown). I wish to see how would the Kh on turn and Qs on the river work for me -> my flop decision EV now gets recalculated even though I didn't know those cards were going to come. Also I forget what my EV and equities were on the flop, so I remove the cards and recalculate on flop cards only.
Some of this can be handled by the layer system, but I find it a bit tough to use.
I hope I got my idea through; I certainly have a lousy track record on that lately on the 2+2 sw forum
As I said, this would be more useful for tracking how the equities are affected by certain cards, but I can see some merit for the line EV analysis also.
I was wondering if this functionality has been added? If so, how do you go about doing this? I basically want to lock the ranges street by street i suppose so that future known board cards don't effect the ranges of the previous streets.
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