Seeing that having so many separate threads about SNGWiz is making it harder than necessary for people to search for questions which have already been answered (and also making it harder for the SNGWiz author to see when questions are asked...), we've decided to collect all the old SNGWiz threads together and put them into this one "collected edition" thread. Any new SNGWiz threads that pop up in the future will also be moved here.

Also, don't forget that SNGWiz have their own support forums which can be found here.

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i see that sngicons endorse bubble trainer on pregopoker.

is that software better than sngwiz?

or same ish?

I think sngwiz is better.

You pay ONCE for SngWiz and it is also an ICM analysis software.
You pay MONTHLY for bubble-trainer.

Is there a program that is like sit n go wizard that can read your hole cards and advise you to push or fold based on ICM model?

If not this would be great! Integrate the pokertracker stats of each player to make push or fold decisions.

If this already exists let me know!

Thanks a ton!

Pokerhound for FT, Party, Stars but try it first it's a bit clunky.

If it existed, it would be autobanned by every site it worked on, and if you were caught using it, so would you.

Doesn't SNG EGT have something like this that works real-time?

You would think this would be the site's policy, but sadly it seems that they see it differently...

A bad losing "bot" that presses the buttons itself is bad, but a clever winning "bot" based on game theory which lets the human click the buttons for it is fine. Go figure?

Juk

Request script that will copy last hand to SnG wizard via hot key at PokerStars

I used the 3 month demo for SNGwiz and really liked it. I have never tried SNGEGT before.

I am looking for input from someone who has used the real time option.

a) How easy would it be to use this while 4-6 tabling?
b) How easy is it to adjust opponents ranges on the fly?
c) Is the rest of the functionality of the program as good as SNGWiz?
d) Is it worth it to get the game theory based ranges?

edit: Sorry if this is a repeat question, I had trouble finding much on SNGEGT anywhere on the forum.

no one out there using this?

JukofYork

I've never used it, but let me just ask you these:

a) Would you be happy to just play against bots online instead of real people? Ok, so bots "press their own buttons", but by using this you are just a "human powered bot"...

b) If you play(ed) chess online then would you be happy if your opponent just used a chess engine to decide on all their moves? Even when they move the pieces themselves it's still cheating...

c) If you play(ed) limit holdem HU, then would you be happy to play against a player using a pseudo-optimal bot against you? How about if they pressed the buttons themselves?

If you want SNGs to stay profitable for the long term then you would be much better off lobbying sites to ban the use of these type of advisor apps... It's ridiculous that players have had their accounts closed for "botting" when it comes to using pseudo-optimal HU limits bots, yet at the same time the same sites allow basically the same thing for SNGs!

NE is fine for HU play, but since the multiplayer game allow opponents to make "spite calls" against you (ie: give up some of their own EV to cost you much more) and since the NE solution assumes that all opponents are "rationally trying to maximize their own EV", you'll find the NE pushes and calls are way too loose against the average donk.

Juk

I completely agree with jukofyork’s comments. The SitNGo Wizard does not, and will not, offer real-time advice.

While I appreciate your concerns, I am not sure that I agree. The assigning of hand ranges is so crucial to whether or not certain plays are +EV, and the tool does not do that for someone. I could easily 1-table and use a program like SNGWiz or SNGPT to accomplish the same function as SNGEGT, although people at the table would probably hate me for using my full time every hand. This obviously is not feasible for multi tables. Really all I was asking was how practical SNGEGT was for 4-6 tabling. Instead I got a lecture about how the program is unethical. If it is a program allowed by the sites, then people are using it. Any poker player who willingly gives up a legal edge is just being naive. I am not even sure that such an edge exists though, and that was what I was trying to find out. If it can't function well with 4-6 tables it is essentially useless to most multi-tablers.

Juk

as a postgame analysis tool sngwiz is way better coz its got resteal calcs n stuff worked into it. as a real time thing, obviously sngegt coz u cant use sngwiz realtime.

but i think you should try and make the decision between cash games and sngs. coz learning cash games is wayyyyy more profitable in the long run. i regret how much time i spent grinding sngs instead of l earning cash. id be way more advanced a cash player than i am now if i started with micro cash instead.

Since the PokerStars reps obviously read 2+2 yet kindly ignore all posts about these type of applications, I've made a very clear post in this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=120390

There is definitely a PokerStars rep posting in that thread, so they can't claim to have just happened to not see the thread and the post is bright red so they can't very easily claim to have just missed my post in the thread either...

Rather than asking yet again why they allow this type of application, I've just blatantly asked if it's OK to use a pseudo-optimal HU limit bot if I press the buttons myself. If they don't class that as cheating then I'll be amazed...

Juk

its pretty funny how there are 7 or 8 replies to my post, but not one has answered my real question, which is how viable is this program while 4-6 tabling?

Perhaps its because you are asking people how to "cheat"? People like you will be the downfall of online poker.

What are you going to do once everybody has heard about / got one of these things and even the drunk Friday night gambler at microstakes is playing optimal push/fold strategy?

Maybe u should buy it try it out and you can post your own answer. Being rude and demanding with something as controversial isn’t the way to get your answer.

I am sure Stars will ban this soon just like sharkscope was banned recently. Off topic but I like Stars sngs better without some yahoo quoting someone’s sharkscope stats pushing them to play better because they didn’t like how someone played a hand.

This type of software chases recreation players away especially when they see multi tablers using it to play a mindless game. I don’t like it and I hope it’s banned soon. Try walking into a live casino with a computer making calculations like this at the table.

When 4-6 tabling, you have quite a lot of time to use SNGWizard while playing. Just look up hands that you are unsure about, play with pushing/calling ranges (hint: use the graph function to see how things change with ranges!) and become a better sng player. I usually 12-table and occasionally look up some hands I'm not sure about (thank god for the auto time button clicker), which is a great learning experience.

Sadly, Stars seems to just want to totally avoid any discussion about this. There is just no way they have missed my (repeatedly bumped) 9-month old thread, all the other posts about this and yesterdays zoo-post I made (in red type)...

Juk

i used it for a while when 6tabling with not much problems. but it was more of the marginals spots though.. i didn't get AA on 3 tables with 4bb on each and think "wonder what sngegt will say here"