I saw an article on another publication where Victory is claiming to have raised the amount of players on the network playing.

Can you tell me why there is still only 200 people on the network at 9PM Eastern time? It's the same amount as it has been in forever.

Also all these pro's you claim to have, why aren't they ever playing? Sounds like a bunch of smoke and mirrors if you ask me. If you are going to reply they play, list their player names and what levels they play at.

It's been published that the so called pros own a portion of the site but yet their star power has delivered nothing. I play on a long standing Everleaf room and can't see where you have added any value. I am sure I know what your response will be and it's ok to defend, but be rest assured to have your facts straight. Which to this point, you haven't done a good job in doing.

Any site that takes 9 days to process neteller and money booker payments has issues. While you can pass blame on to the network, why aren't you acting in behalf of these players and demanding they are paid as promptly as they deposit. Neteller and Moneybookers don't take 9 days to process anywhere else.

not sure why you have to use a new name to make this post, but your post is +1 and is spot on. I haven't seen any new developments in traffic since the first week it opened. The marketing campaign is very good. but the thing killing you guys is the deposits.
in my case, I saw the commercials etc.. I dl'ed the software, tried depositing, it required all these verfication or calling customer support. bla bla bla. i Said fk it.
came back 3 months later after seeing another crazy ad for VP, tried to deposit again, got declined again. saw that the games are dead. gave up again.
the moral of the story is, that when people want to play or gamble, they want to do it NOW, they're not gonna wait 2-3 days to get a 100$ deposit approved.
my advice to you guys is to weigh more of your operations towards deposits. as in assign a customer service hotline mainly for deposits or a live chat mainly for deposits. thats the only way you guys are gonna make money. if you notice all the poker rooms, as soon as you have a deposit problem, they instantly call you, or a live chat window pops up. on a brighter side note, I see that you just added some new deposit methods so hopefully those workout. but you still need to allocate more of your employees towards deposits help.

One reply is that I am new to posting but I have lurked 2+2 for a long time. I was reading some of the threads here and figured I would ask some questions instead of just wondering for a change.

I can't say I've had issues deposting because I use pic to deposit. Withdrawals have been spotty at times due to weekends but I haven't had much issues like what I've seen elsewhere. Lucky I guess.

I am not trying to come across negative but just wonder where all these players are that are being claimed to have been added. I like the network because it is smaller but there's a lot of wild claims that can't be substantiated.

Victory doesn't have to make "claims" about anything. It's just clear cut facts.
Simply go to www.pokerscout.com and look at this exact moment in life and you'll see that Everleaf has more cash players then BODOG online and is nearly tied with BETFAIR in which both have billions of dollars and a half a decade headstart.
Then go back to January 31st the day before Victory went live and notice that the network had 600% less players on that day...
There are other elements to their growth as well and I'm proud of everything Everleaf is working so hard on to become a major player in the industry. Their 600% growth over the last few months has been EPIC.

When you look at 9 pm eastern time you'll notice much lower amounts of players on Everleaf as well as sites like BETFAIR because we are predominantly focused on international players who are sleeping at that time. It would be around 5 am in Europe when your looking. You can understand why I focus on Europe/Canada and Scandinavian Markets with all of the difficulties for depositing in the US.
I spend 6 figures a month marketing in the US but I never said it would be easy to deposit and I dont control the depositing/transfer of funds/withdrawals/etc. I have no access to them whatsoever. The Everleaf Gaming Network handles all of it under the EU License they have in Malta which is extremely strict but better for everyone in the long run which is why CAKE Network recently moved there as well.
Everleaf has just released new depositing options and they will continue to find as many ways to make things easier for depositors globally.

As far as the pro's on my team. I've never made claim that they own a portion of the site and I'm not sure how you can say their "Star power has brought nothing" when Antonio Esfandiari, Paul Wasicka, Andrew Robl, Keith Gipson, Brian Rast have all been wearing Victory Patches on television in the past 3 weeks alone.
My team of 20 pro's has over 30 million in tournament earnings, they've done dozens of articles and interviews each week and they play all the time.
You can find the pro's with their real names on the site, it's as simple as that, they dont use special screennames. You can play vs. Jonathan Little or Alec Torelli nearly everyday if you choose to. They'd be happy too : )
Im not sure why you would say that I "claim" to have these pro's. I spend hundreds of thousands putting their images into over 20 magazines a month and countless ads online on almost every news site. I wouldnt be able to use their image if they weren't sponsored pro's. You can get the full list at www.victorypoker.net and feel free to walk around the tournament room at the WSOP right now and see the patches on all of them.

This link should show you an example of how many magazines we're in this month alone http://tweetphoto.com/25451556 which may solidify the fact that I wouldn't be spending this much money if we weren't seeing thousands and thousands of people registering from it. Each magazine is 4 to $16,000 per month depending on distribution.
Since our site has grown SO much faster then expected, I've increased the marketing budget's because we can see that it's working and people are responding.

There is still a long road ahead of us and none of it is going to be easy but the response has been overwhelming from the amount of players to the amount of business people working with us in our quest to grow the Victory brand.

Jonathan little plays a bit there, but i would assume the other pros dont play there because the software is so horrible and you could randomly dc in big pots also because there is no big games available

CEO

Are Victory pros seen by all the rooms or just Victory only?

@Dr Livingstone: All the pro's play on there. Some play ALOT and the software developer won the International Gaming Award 2 years in a row so I wouldn't call them horrible. There is 25-50 nl games running everyday, they are mostly heads-up games but your welcome to join them. We're happy running as many various game sizes as possible from FREE and .01/.02 up to 25/50 nl.
The pro's mostly play the 2/4 Euro games and the 5/10 nl.

They also play the rake race $500 free prize winners all the time in heads up matches.

@Blackstone: Victory is part of a network so you'll be able to see their screen names and battle them from any skin on there. The team members that play the most often are Keith Gipson/Jonathan Little/Alec Torelli/Andrew Robl/Brian Rast/Harry_DeBeng/TheMaven.
When they're not flying around in tournaments, you'll find Lee Markholt, Paul Wasicka, Jason Lavallee, James Obst and Danny Wong.

Antonio Esfandiari and Sara Underwood play as well and handle all the special freeroll winners as the bounties or competitors depending on the special promotion each week.

Odonkor1 and Erik Backlund were just added to the team, but Odonkor1 won $850,000 in one day recently so he's kind of amazing so BE CAREFUL : )

I mentioned this probably a few months ago or whatever it was, but I think the biggest problem is still Everleaf. The skin is not very good and just complicates things more. When I play I want it straight forward and easy to do everything...not to mention a bunch of games going. Oh well, I'll give you guys credit for trying more than a lot of the smaller sites do

[QUOTE=vpCEO;19435116]Victory doesn't have to make "claims" about anything. It's just clear cut facts.
Simply go to www.pokerscout.com and look at this exact moment in life and you'll see that Everleaf has more cash players then BODOG online and is nearly tied with BETFAIR in which both have billions of dollars and a half a decade headstart.
Then go back to January 31st the day before Victory went live and notice that the network had 600% less players on that day...
/QUOTE]
God, you 'dont claim' well you sure 'make out' victory made this grow. What bull and dude you know it. Most of this growth is due to a merger. And btw nice marketing.... Tell the world your doing great and people will start to believe, but on here players aren't dumb and they see the stories and have realised exactly what your doing.

ohh and most of that 'growth' is private and we cant play because they have nothing to do with victory so please ......

+1 the merger occurred the week before Victory joined the network and then Victory came in and took the credit. All the merger traffic are at the cash games which are private and no one on the network can access, including Victory (explaining the Poker Scout bump). I was pumped and looking forward to market Victory, but when I contacted support to find out how we can access the private cash games under the more tab, I was told they are private games inaccessible by anyone who came in under Everleaf.

Victory has a great spokesperson who is excellent at speeches in their CEO and the capability of truly making an impact on a small network, but it has yet to happen. I am not trying to be a pisser, I think the potential is there, it is just amusing to read all about the 700% growth and still not have one single sng take off.

I play for a moderate living mass tabling on Pstars low stakes Full Ring Limit Holdem and only give a small percentage of my action to other sites due to Stars's nice VIP program. And as of yet I have not opened an account on Victory. I was excited about the birth of Victory and I feel the CEO did a good job defending himself against some uncalled for attacks on himself, a few months ago. I like the "attitude" marketing that Victory is doing. I also am impressed with VPCEO's attempts at a grassroot campaign by his extensive marketing in magazines and even a foray into MMA a few UFC's back. I like that VPCEO and others have for the most part answered questions posed by players. I hope for players sake that another company can come along and compete with the big two but Victory still has a long way to go.

What I don't like:

1. The claims of huge growth.... this is not the "real case" and VPCEO should give 2+2ers a bit more credit.

2. The rake. It's just too high compared to most sites (US tables or Euro's) especially for a game like Limit Holdem where a 1BB/100hnds is considered excellent. The rakeback of 40% just doesn't cut it.

3. Traffic. Obviously with the money VPCEO is spending along with his teams enthusiasm traffic will pick up, but a sites growth is like a snowball, the more it rolls down the hill the faster it goes and the bigger it gets. So far, it's still balancing on the edge.

4. Deposit problems. The wait time before being able to access the funds is not what recreational players want. Nor anybody for that matter. Also options are too limited currently on the site.

5. Pro's. I don't understand why you hired as many as you did with many not having much name recognition to the recreational player. + the educated players are not overly impressed with pro's and likely wouldn't be attracted to a site based on who they sign. I think the money would be better spent giving a handful of players 100% rakeback to promote site growth which would then encourage more players to sign up.

6. Smoke and Mirrors. Often the CEO has been asked a serious question and his next post shows a pic of a naked model, or a VP party or something that has no bearing on 99.9% of Victory Pokers players. This should stop as the vast majority of posters in the Victory sponsored forum want the best for Victory, whether they choose to deposit or not. People don't need their intelligence to be insulted. Say it like it is and people will respect you. Call it like you'd want it and only a poor loan manager will respect you.

Best of luck Victory and I look forward to meeting some of your reps/pro's at the 2+2 party and at the M.E.

@the last 5 comments: I appreciate and can handle any & all comments but I cant go over the same things over & over. 100% of my "claims" have been backed up by FACTS.
If you choose to take the drama filled route and think that nobody can succeed then that's fine but I've fought with diversity my whole life being a young entrepreneur that the older business men didn't take seriously until I showed them. In this case I'm showing you guys fact after fact and your just spinning it to ask another question or make another rumor filled statement.
When my marketing efforts increase, we have the 3rd largest team on earth, we sponsor dozens of new poker news sites, we're featured in every publication globally, we have hundreds of affiliate deals, but you still want to say that I'm making "claims" when I give you photos and links to every single one of these FACTUAL statements.
I wont let you call me a liar, I've done nothing but try to help and be active on every level to improve the overall poker community.

I have a long road ahead of me but have come out of the gates much better then expected. I will continue to just "show you" until you start believing the photos/websites/pro's/growth/articles/etc............
http://tweetphoto.com/25451556

So are you saying because you bought advertising in a bunch of magazines that's a great thing? Are you saying because GPWA of which you paid to become a part of has you on the cover that is to amaze people?

I hate to break it to you. But you'll find a lot of companies in a lot of magazines that they paid for. It doesn't make them successful, it means they spent money and nothing more.

The more I read through all the diatribe you write in all of your replies it's no wonder people hate and I mean hate Victory.

I'll leave you a new slogan for Victory.

Victory spends it's money on Pro's and Ho's

And you can +1 that all day.

VPCEO,
I honestly think your missing the point that several posters are making. No one is wishing you to not suceed. Even if a player has no intention of ever playing on Victory it's still in his best interest to have this site do well as it will force the big two to stay competitive and not try to monopolize this whole industry. Players are simplay stating the facts as they see them. And to "perceive is to believe" is even more important than reality.
Currently players are not happy that there is not enough traffic and one poster even said he's not interested in the fact that the whole network picked up 600% since Victory joined (along with a merge of other sites) with many tables that are deemed private. What he cares about is the fact that he can't find a Sit and Go to run. This is his perception be it reality or not. It is your job to try and convince him that:
a) he is not playing at the right times and suggest a better time
b) to forthcomingly admit that this is the current case but ask for some patience and let him know that this is your top priority.

To say that Victory has already met year growth expectation tells this player that you don't think his problem is a priority until January. Your very comments designed to reassure people that Victory is doing great in reality have the opposite effect. This is not an energy drink business where the difference between one drink and the other is what model is drinking it from the customers perspective. This is a serious business where players are becoming as savvy as the owners. We are not dumb people and to resort to childish ways and say things like "i'll show you" and yada yada is just a non clever way of not adressing the valid points that even your most loyal supporters have brought up. Accept a bit of criticism and conceed that not everything is perfect and give examples of what you are trying to do to improve things in some of the areas that Victory is currently lacking in, as you have done quite well in the form of Traffic by keeping us up to date on what advertisements you have done.
I personally doubt I can play Limit cash tables on Victory due to lack of volume, but I would like to give Victory a chance. My question for you is do you offer any Limit tourneys and at what stakes and times? If you are considering offering them I'd be happy to play them if the stakes are at least 10 dollars and would play them often as a token of my support to you personally and for Victory as a company. Best of luck, -Sect7G