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02-02-2016 , 02:45 PM
Hi,

What is the lowest level (buy in) one can start on with the SNG grinder?
Would I need a specific hud/tracker or are you providing one? I'm only using Jivaro now which I like but it does not track anything.

Thanks!
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02-02-2016 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Boulderv6
Hi,

What is the lowest level (buy in) one can start on with the SNG grinder?
Would I need a specific hud/tracker or are you providing one? I'm only using Jivaro now which I like but it does not track anything.

Thanks!

You can start at the lowest possible levels, it's not where you start, it's where you end!

The minimum BR needed is 1000 EUR, if you have that, you can start playing, no matter what your skill level is.

Tracker is not provided, you would have to get HM2 or PT4 at your own cost. HUDs can be provided, you will talk with the coach about that, if you join.
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02-02-2016 , 03:35 PM
@Hyper: IBNash already hit the point well, otherwise good luck in other areas outside poker.
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02-03-2016 , 02:18 PM
Hello, I've just joined (sent transaction, etc..) and messed up my email a little bit I think.. I've sent this problem to support team, but just want to make double check here that in fact you got the mail with problem (at CFP, I got my BPC account on right email)

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02-03-2016 , 03:18 PM
Yes, no problem, we got it, you are also in our Skype contact - as said, the change of email is not a problem, all is good, just continue doing the newbie steps. If you get stuck, contact BPC support on skype.
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02-04-2016 , 06:52 PM
Our 6-max student Konvict made over 11k EUR in the past 2 months, after a break-even start, the learning curve is going up, BPC coachings are showing results.

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02-05-2016 , 04:17 PM
Our student Darwin, a family guy from Colombia, went from total poker beginner to making $5k+ regularly in a few months with BPC.
READ HIS STORY HERE >>>



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02-05-2016 , 07:14 PM
Why do you advertise here as "risk free you only pay if you win". It seems to be "bogus" advertising. Every student in your program pays. If a student can´t win he pays with his 500€ security deposit which he can´t get back ever and if a student does win he pays with his profits.

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Originally Posted by Hypersphere
I quitted the CFP program (and poker) today. It didn't work for me, the system just doesn't work.

I was almost convinced that there's no way to win at poker, and I joined CFP to be proven otherwise. But it didn't happen. Probably there's no system that works and there's no point in trying to win a game of pure luck, or maybe there IS a way to win, but you didn't teach it to me.

In any case, I think it's better to quit. Poker is just a big waste of time and money.

Good luck.
Just take him as an example. He hasn´t won any money at poker and he isn´t going to win any money in the future. Sure it was his decision to quit but you still can´t argue that he hasn´t paid anything for his "coaching" because now you just keep the 500€ he paid.

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02-06-2016 , 03:38 AM
Somebody called "troubley" cries like a baby! LOL. Freud at work? It's called security deposit because we don't want people to come and go.

I'm told that Troubley is a confirmed scammer btw. He tried to get access to materials and then claimed fraud, but lost the case (like a few others) against the bank.
We have a fraud expert who worked at bigger betting companies and identified the pattern.
Maybe we should publish all information about you, Robert K from Germany.

Time to grow up! You can read about all the people who made and will make big money. They give things a try and work hard.

Like Darwin from Colombia. I remember going crazy on him last year, but he was a complete beginner.

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Our student Darwin, a family guy from Colombia, went from total poker beginner to making $5k+ regularly in a few months with BPC.
READ HIS STORY HERE >>>



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02-06-2016 , 06:42 AM
Just for clarification, we have a great member in our HU team, who is an awesome guy. He is in the HU program.
His name is also "Robert K" . Germans have some typical names... so we have one great guy and one scammer (troubley) with the same initials.

Please don't confuse!
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02-06-2016 , 04:32 PM
Hey guys had some questions about the registration process that I couldn't find a place to ask via FAQ or the website... is there anybody that can help me get the contact info of someone at BPC or a manager?
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02-06-2016 , 04:38 PM
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Hey guys had some questions about the registration process that I couldn't find a place to ask via FAQ or the website... is there anybody that can help me get the contact info of someone at BPC or a manager?
Yes, you can contact us at support@bestpokercoaching.com or ask the question here in public if you can/wish.
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02-06-2016 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Troubley
Why do you advertise here as "risk free you only pay if you win". It seems to be "bogus" advertising. Every student in your program pays. If a student can´t win he pays with his 500€ security deposit which he can´t get back ever and if a student does win he pays with his profits.



Just take him as an example. He hasn´t won any money at poker and he isn´t going to win any money in the future. Sure it was his decision to quit but you still can´t argue that he hasn´t paid anything for his "coaching" because now you just keep the 500€ he paid.
Yes, paying the "security deposit" is the first thing you have to do. I paid it and almost immediately regretted it, because after you have paid, you have to do some absurd "steps" like:

- Register on every site (even if you will never play there).
- Register on their affiliates.
- Make blogs at every major poker forum.
- Shoot a video showing you installed all the poker site clients while you talk over skype with a friend and share your desktop with him through teamviewer. When I saw this silly step I immediately wanted to quit, but I remembered the "security deposit". They say the video is for testing your skype audio quality, but this is untrue because they never do coaching through skype (at least at the micro program), they just provide a book and videos.

You HAVE to do this steps, or the program doesn't start. When the program starts, the first video you watch is one where they say you can't question the program. So go figure. In the next video they "coach" you about bumhunting. I thought it was a myth, but it's true, the program is all about bumhunting.

If you can't win with their system, there's nothing you can do. You can't question the program, so you can only accept you have wasted your time and money and quit.

It's a shame because I trusted Gordon and BPC (I even questioned his haters in this very forum). But I was wrong.
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02-06-2016 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypersphere
Yes, paying the "security deposit" is the first thing you have to do. I paid it and almost immediately regretted it, because after you have paid, you have to do some absurd "steps" like:

- Register on every site (even if you will never play there).
- Register on their affiliates.
- Make blogs at every major poker forum.
- Shoot a video showing you installed all the poker site clients while you talk over skype with a friend and share your desktop with him through teamviewer. When I saw this silly step I immediately wanted to quit, but I remembered the "security deposit". They say the video is for testing your skype audio quality, but this is untrue because they never do coaching through skype (at least at the micro program), they just provide a book and videos.

You HAVE to do this steps, or the program doesn't start. When the program starts, the first video you watch is one where they say you can't question the program. So go figure. In the next video they "coach" you about bumhunting. I thought it was a myth, but it's true, the program is all about bumhunting.

If you can't win with their system, there's nothing you can do. You can't question the program, so you can only accept you have wasted your time and money and quit.

It's a shame because I trusted Gordon and BPC (I even questioned his haters in this very forum). But I was wrong.
I'm guessing you applied for a different program than me, as I'm in the micro 6-max program and didn't have to do that skype video step. But all I can say is that if you don't have the patience to go through those "absurd" steps, then how do you expect to succeed at poker?

Is there any step there where completing it will hurt you? Sure, you may lose a few minutes of your time. But if you're not willing to invest a very small amount of your time in order to have the chance to learn to make good money playing poker, maybe this isn't for you.

About the bumhunting comment.. You make money from playing others who are worse than you. You lose money playing others who are better than you. The worse they are, the more money you can make from them. The better they are, the more money you can lose from them. So why exactly are you suggesting that looking for weaker players is a bad thing?

I can only speak for the micro 6-max program, but I can only imagine the quality of the other programs would be similar. However, this has been a great program so far. I have learned a lot, and my results have improved. I've only joined a little over a month ago, but I've really enjoyed it so far. Gordon is a great coach, and a genuinely good guy, and I have no regrets joining. Sure, the beginning steps were a small hassle to go through, but you just suck it up and do it. Do the work, and the rewards will follow.
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02-06-2016 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypersphere
Yes, paying the "security deposit" is the first thing you have to do. I paid it and almost immediately regretted it, because after you have paid, you have to do some absurd "steps" like:

- Register on every site (even if you will never play there).
- Register on their affiliates.
- Make blogs at every major poker forum.
- Shoot a video showing you installed all the poker site clients while you talk over skype with a friend and share your desktop with him through teamviewer. When I saw this silly step I immediately wanted to quit, but I remembered the "security deposit". They say the video is for testing your skype audio quality, but this is untrue because they never do coaching through skype (at least at the micro program), they just provide a book and videos.

You HAVE to do this steps, or the program doesn't start. When the program starts, the first video you watch is one where they say you can't question the program. So go figure. In the next video they "coach" you about bumhunting. I thought it was a myth, but it's true, the program is all about bumhunting.

If you can't win with their system, there's nothing you can do. You can't question the program, so you can only accept you have wasted your time and money and quit.

It's a shame because I trusted Gordon and BPC (I even questioned his haters in this very forum). But I was wrong.


Table selection a myth? how do you expect to beat the rake without bumhunting? how much winrate do you think you can achieve against the regs? plus i think the strategy outlined in the book is pretty good against the regs tbh , you cant do much better than this i think.


They gave you exactly what you needed and you choosed to waste it , poker is a game with a lot of variance , you shouldnt expect someone to make you win instantly even if you play perfectly you have to put a lot of volume until you realize your winnings and you have to remain solid on the way.


You should spend sometime with a variance calculator to see what is possible in poker , it will help your mental game a lot.
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02-06-2016 , 06:57 PM
Hyper, it's a shame that i was nice to you and let you in for almost free ($50 iirc) because of a translation you have done. You were already back then very negative, but i was too nice and thought "let's give the guy something". I should have asked for more, maybe u wud have not quit like a weak baby.

If you want to make even 10k at this game and making a few clicks is too much for you and wants you quit, that says everything about yourself and your attitude.
And if anybody wonders, i think he hasn't even asked ONE QUESTION during any coaching, perhaps one, but certainly i would remember if you posted more hands and participated regularly.

Another guy, who is - like you - also from Chile is the complete opposite of you.
He asked many questions, he puts in many hours and beats NL5 now for 6bb/100 while 14-tabling. Not a crazy winrate, but he'll soon move up.

In the meanwhile i answered today again for 2,5hrs every single question anybody had. And yes, they needed a microphone so i could hear them speak! Funny enough, i also talked about you (without mentioning your name).

Seriously, when i read your first post i wanted to puke, but thought, ok, frustrated guy, let it go. If anybody feels that they have similarities with hyper, then please, stay away from BPC. I don't want you in the program.
If you believe making a few clicks is too big of an obstacle, well, i have no words. Go and play the lottery.

Btw, big advice for our readers, 6max is about playing with at least 1 weak player at the table. You still play against 4 players of more or less your skill level. So our "secret" teaching is to not play vs 5 great players, but 4 great players and 1 bad players. The fact that you mock this as "bumhunting" says everything about you. Well, you ARE that player others look out for.

There is a great article from our director of operations and CFP finisher himself. I doubt you will understand it, but for others here it is:
http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/bumhunting-fishing/


I just finished making video reviews for 2 guys who started at NL2 and now play NL50. Finished another one who started NL2 and plays now NL25 (he doesn't even play that much which is a shame, full time job). There are a lot more.
Told another guy with a 7k bankroll that the math homework he did was complete sh$t.

Darwin, i'll just quote him again LEARNT how to play poker last year.
Obviously it was not too much for him to get a headset (lol, actually in our last coaching i joked about buying him one bc i still heard his colombian family in the background).

Here it is again:
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Originally Posted by BPC Support
Our student Darwin, a family guy from Colombia, went from total poker beginner to making $5k+ regularly in a few months with BPC.
READ HIS STORY HERE >>>



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02-06-2016 , 10:45 PM
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Hyper, it's a shame that i was nice to you and let you in for almost free ($50 iirc) because of a translation you have done. You were already back then very negative, but i was too nice and thought "let's give the guy something". I should have asked for more, maybe u wud have not quit like a weak baby.
What? Your program was worth NOTHING to me. Are you saying you should have asked for more? I hope you mean that with a bigger security deposit I would have stayed more time. But that's wrong, the only difference is that I would have lost more.

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If you want to make even 10k at this game and making a few clicks is too much for you and wants you quit, that says everything about yourself and your attitude.
I don't care about making a few or one million clicks. But they have to be WORTHY clicks. I didn't win any money by doing your infamous "steps" nor following your system afterwards.

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And if anybody wonders, i think he hasn't even asked ONE QUESTION during any coaching, perhaps one, but certainly i would remember if you posted more hands and participated regularly.
Well, of course I didn't ask any question and you don't remember, because... I never had a coaching session!!! I stayed for 3 months in the program and never received direct coaching. Just a book and videos. The book is not bad, but you will only learn how not to lose. The videos have very little content, they have the trademark Gordon's "championsstanduponemoretime" nonsense, but very little poker knowledge.

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Another guy, who is - like you - also from Chile is the complete opposite of you.
He asked many questions, he puts in many hours and beats NL5 now for 6bb/100 while 14-tabling. Not a crazy winrate, but he'll soon move up.

In the meanwhile i answered today again for 2,5hrs every single question anybody had. And yes, they needed a microphone so i could hear them speak! Funny enough, i also talked about you (without mentioning your name).

Seriously, when i read your first post i wanted to puke, but thought, ok, frustrated guy, let it go. If anybody feels that they have similarities with hyper, then please, stay away from BPC. I don't want you in the program.
If you believe making a few clicks is too big of an obstacle, well, i have no words. Go and play the lottery.

Btw, big advice for our readers, 6max is about playing with at least 1 weak player at the table. You still play against 4 players of more or less your skill level. So our "secret" teaching is to not play vs 5 great players, but 4 great players and 1 bad players. The fact that you mock this as "bumhunting" says everything about you. Well, you ARE that player others look out for.

There is a great article from our director of operations and CFP finisher himself. I doubt you will understand it, but for others here it is:
http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/bumhunting-fishing/
Of course I understand the article. What I don't understand is why you call CFP a coaching program if that's the only thing you teach.

You love to say what people wants to hear. I mean all those nonsense like "with our program you will succeed even if only the 0.00001% of people succeed". People should understand that those are just marketing tricks and the reality of poker is very different. You talk about how bad is quitting and how winners keep trying. But it doesn't matter how many times you try to win with a bad strategy. You will fail, or you will only win a few cents from the worse players. You need a good strategy to win big and that's what you don't teach (or, at least, you didn't teach it to me).

I'm very dissapointed of your program because I really thought it was good. It wasn't. It's just a break-even or slightly losing strategy that you have to apply against fishes. It doesn't work against regs, it doesn't work at zoom poker. It only works if you bumhunt like there's no tomorrow. But ANY decent strategy will work this way, so there's nothing meaningful in your program, just the nice words.

Now, just post another cherry-picked success story.


PS: My english skills suck, I hope the meaning of my post is clear.
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02-06-2016 , 10:47 PM
Do you make more money through being an affiliate for players in BPC, or through your share in their profits?
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02-06-2016 , 11:04 PM
@PokerPhilosopher: The problem is... I did the steps, but there was no reward. It was disappointing to receive such a basic instruction after doing those annoying steps.

@Garpthefist24: You can always blame variance, don't you? I was using Gordon's "no bull****" strategy before joining CFP and it never worked. I thought inside CFP I would learn a better strategy, but it was the same break-even system.
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02-06-2016 , 11:05 PM
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What? Your program was worth NOTHING to me. Are you saying you should have asked for more? I hope you mean that with a bigger security deposit I would have stayed more time. But that's wrong, the only difference is that I would have lost more.



I don't care about making a few or one million clicks. But they have to be WORTHY clicks. I didn't win any money by doing your infamous "steps" nor following your system afterwards.



Well, of course I didn't ask any question and you don't remember, because... I never had a coaching session!!! I stayed for 3 months in the program and never received direct coaching. Just a book and videos. The book is not bad, but you will only learn how not to lose. The videos have very little content, they have the trademark Gordon's "championsstanduponemoretime" nonsense, but very little poker knowledge.



Of course I understand the article. What I don't understand is why you call CFP a coaching program if that's the only thing you teach.

You love to say what people wants to hear. I mean all those nonsense like "with our program you will succeed even if only the 0.00001% of people succeed". People should understand that those are just marketing tricks and the reality of poker is very different. You talk about how bad is quitting and how winners keep trying. But it doesn't matter how many times you try to win with a bad strategy. You will fail, or you will only win a few cents from the worse players. You need a good strategy to win big and that's what you don't teach (or, at least, you didn't teach it to me).

I'm very dissapointed of your program because I really thought it was good. It wasn't. It's just a break-even or slightly losing strategy that you have to apply against fishes. It doesn't work against regs, it doesn't work at zoom poker. It only works if you bumhunt like there's no tomorrow. But ANY decent strategy will work this way, so there's nothing meaningful in your program, just the nice words.

Now, just post another cherry-picked success story.


PS: My english skills suck, I hope the meaning of my post is clear.
Your English skills are fine given you are from Chile, I believe?

This post seems very different from those you were posting in August last year on various other threads.
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02-07-2016 , 12:04 AM
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Your English skills are fine given you are from Chile, I believe?

This post seems very different from those you were posting in August last year on various other threads.
Yes. I said in an earlier post that I was wrong. But I still think that most posts attacking Gordon are just blind hate.
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02-07-2016 , 08:07 AM
Our 6-max student "justplayff" joined BPC in September with 50 EUR in his pocket and a willingness to learn, and grind.

He started at the bottom, playing the Micros.

Currently he is over 4000 EUR up, playing NL50, and planning his shots for NL100.



Check out his blog here: LINK.

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02-07-2016 , 08:28 AM
Our 6-max student "skenderbeu13" also started his Coaching for profits at BPC with $50 in his pocket, and a determination to succeed no matter what.

He started grinding at the very bottom, the infamous NL2.

After a few months, he is over 3200 EUR up - and that's just the start. Now he is out of the micros, and the real money-making is about to begin...




Check out his blog here: LINK.

Any resemblance to the student "justplayff" from the post above is NOT coincidental - they are both in our 6-max program, and started about the same time, "skenderbeu13" a few weeks later.

It's a common pattern in our programs for students starting at the micros.
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02-07-2016 , 08:35 AM
Quick reminder of our monthly rankings for the year 2015 - aka "games are DEAD" and "there is no money in poker anymore"



These are the winners of all monthly rankings inside CFP.


The image is taken from our homepage (LINK), where you can click on each blog link for each student, and read their stories from Day 1 of them joining.
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02-08-2016 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BPC Support
You can start at the lowest possible levels, it's not where you start, it's where you end!

The minimum BR needed is 1000 EUR, if you have that, you can start playing, no matter what your skill level is.

Tracker is not provided, you would have to get HM2 or PT4 at your own cost. HUDs can be provided, you will talk with the coach about that, if you join.
Hi again,

I looked at a lot of coaching options and I do have an interest in your program. At the moment my bankroll is under 1k EUR but I should be able to come up with that over the next month.

I did my homework with trackers and I'll buy HM2 shortly.

About the 1k Euro bankroll, does it have to be all on one site? or on sites at all? Note that I'll be playing in USD (I'm in canada).

I'll probably have a few more questions once I got the requirements. Can I send a you a pm?

Thanks!
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