Your situation is exactly why i have created the no-bs-6max course.

300 Euro for an advanced course may be to much and will perhaps not even teach you what you need to know right now.

- product is "up to date" (end of 2013) although you should only care whether it works (read some of my posts above)

- def the best choice. I would not recommend you a higher priced product at this time

- stakes, well read "hansthegreat" thread. he used the course from nl2cents (currently crushing nl200) on and has written reports and updates on how much he is deviating ( This 2p2 thread )

HI MlJung,

bad news (because honesty is one of the core values here at BPC) :

What i teach is very likely against everything you believe.

It is not that i think GTO or balancing is "wrong" in an objective meaning. My core understanding on how poker works is 100% math based. I am NOT teaching feely fluffy bull****. I love evidence and results are my only metric of success (keeping variance in mind of course).

Having that said, what i teach is so ****ing effective and works very fast (work is of course required). I have replicated my method publicly with many different people who lived in different circumstances.

Why i think my method is superior:

Let me use an analogy and exaggerate a bit. To bang more chicks you could read a million hours worth of literature about evolutionary psychology, you could do research and create the most perfect system that exists in the world (on paper). You could perhaps create the perfect conversation that will make every girl dripping wet inside crying your name on her knees. Who knows... theoretically everything is possible...

However, you will likely have only moderate to no success in the present, but perhaps in 5 years you can dominate the world - IF your paper system happens to work. If not you have wasted all your time.

OR:

You look at the things that make 98% of success in no specific order of importance.

1) Work out. Looks matter (have no idea how much)
2) Find a project (aka, make money have a passion)
3) Do fun things, live a good life

(pls no highjack if u don't agree, i wanna stick to poker)

Master the few simple things that make the big difference. Once you have mastered them and move up to lets say NL400+, then it WILL be worth your time to mess with all the Math, GTO ranges etc.

Keep in mind, you never have to unlearn anything, because you never learn anything wrong. It's just that if you balance vs a fish who is a complete donk, you are loosing a TON of money by not adjusting.

My philosophy in short words: Do the most EFFECTIVE move in every situation

In other words, up to NL400, using GTO is an utter waste of time and actually TERRIBLE because there is a better alternative (not because it is terrible objectively). Also, how do you know if what you are thinking to be the GTO line is actually correct?!





What will happen if you do decide to do things differently:

You might explode right away, but more likely you will have a hard time changing your old way of thinking. That's just how things are.

You can stay part of the poker intellectual gang.
You will "KNOW" about every spot and what the best answer would be.

But there will always be those Gordon ******* students who make more money than you. Not because they are superior players (most likely inferior to yourself), but because they are superior MONEY MAKERS.


This is getting very long, but you ask a very important question. Feel free to go deeper because this is helping everybody to better understand poker.

I agree with gordon, you playing gto at 25nl is like playing abc at 400nl, it just isn't optimal. You should be able to make the correct adjustments for a certain game, this is not learning how to beat it then having to unlearn it when you move up its being adaptable. Why are you balancing against a fish who will never adjust to you? Gto assumes villain is also playing optimally, so if villain steals only 15% and you "defend enough" gto wise you will look like a donky you will be out of position with a range much weaker than your opponents. The way to beat these games to adjust to your opponent the best you can, then when you mvoe up to the point players are extremely good and play near optimal then gto becomes a big part of your game plan

Hi Gordon!

I am a breakeven NL50 6max player and have been reading your thread and considering buying a "Double your 6max winrate" course, but here is one thing. I also read you mentioned coach YourDoom and there is also his course "Advanced tactics: how to beat small, medium and high stakes at 10BB" available at your site, now which one do you prefer? And more importantly, should I purchase another one after studying one first or is the content similar enough?

Thanks for honest answer!

Buying my "Double your 6max winrate" course:

Yes, you should do that. My courses are NOT made for people who already crush big. They are made for those who are losing, breakeven or only slight winners.
Perhaps even try the No-bs-6max which is a lot cheaper, but also a lot more basic.

Other authors like yourdoom:

We (BPC) have cooperations and will have more of them in the future with other coaches. Through many years of coaching i do see that different players like different approaches.
Bestpokercoaching.com is expanding at a big rate and we want to enable players to get their favorite coaching through our site (while always having the best/same price).

In order to decide which coach/course should help you best, watch free videos of both coaches, read their reviews and see how their students are doing.

Should you purchase both/all courses?:

No course is similar. I would even say that my 6max course is more similar to my HU Mastermind than to Yourdoom's 6max (or any other coaches course).

Why?

You have to understand that the "lines" and "strategies" that every coach teaches are only 50% of the product (perhaps even less).

The real value of higher priced product can come in form of

- HOW the information is presented and HOW it helps you.
- how much support (forums, community)

Personally - and i'm saying this as a rational-logic type of guy - one of my biggest strength as a coach is to pass on the winner mentality & energy.

In other words, you learn many things from different coaches. You see their worldview, their way of thinking and how they approach the game.
You can learn from everybody, but you should not learn from everybody at the same time.

Choose one, work hard, suck out all of their knowledge and move on!

Make another course like your champion serious on pokerstrategy it was awesome.

I will do that! Perhaps even for free

Hey Gordon,

I play NLHE CG Fullring (Nl50-100) and i thought about changing to 6-max so i bought the Double Your 6Max Winrate Course. But i don't feel like changing to 6max anymore, so can you tell me how usefull the 6max course will be for Fullring ?
I'd also appreciate what other players have to say who know about the situation aswell

Thanks for your help

Regards!!

I (personally) think that 6max is going to be the "new" goldmine in holdem. And i say that as a HU player who loves HU more than anything else and who has probably played like 80% of all hands HU.
When more poker sites go down the road to implement more King of the hill systems, HU will have a brighter future again as well.

The math is really simple. Usually you have one weak player on a 6max table. You share him with 4 other regs. On fullring you will share him 7 other people.

Now let me answer your question:

My 6max course first and foremost teaches you how to THINK. So 6 of the 9 positions are covered. In early position you play very very tight in fullring, so it is in "theory" not that much different.
However, dynamics in fullring and 6max are very very different, so that is something my 6max course can not and never intends to cover. If you really for whatever reason go for fullring, you can get specific material on this topic.

My recommendation to stick to 6max is not of a selfish nature. You can check out this thread and see many situations where i have advised people against buying more expensive products etc.

Ok, so I "caved" and bought "No BS 6max Poker".
Basically, I have been breaking even at 25NL for years (last 1+ years playing zoom), and I can´t take it anymore.
With this, I am giving myself one last chance to move forward with poker.
Gordon, I am putting my poker-future in your hands.

When I read through the book, I was glad to see that you suggest mostly to do what I already do (minus my fancy play-stuff). And most of the differences I can agree with.
Sure, some lines and ranges are unbalanced, but not badly so.
I do not feel that I will be giving up on what I feel is good poker by following your advice.
The hard part will be following it, and not get out of line doing fancy stuff (rasing cbets with KQss on Js7d4h for instance).

Wish me luck!

good luck

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Hi Gordon

I just moved up to 50NL, after a break from poker of some months. I was betting 25NL before. I'm Quite insecure about my game atm since I'm playing break even (or even losing) the last three months.

What do you recommend?

I want to be new ImAChampion/Ilidek/etc..

I can go fulltime/pro

24 years, from Belgium. Let's go!

I'm currently quite booked out, but you would have to start a 60 day challenge anyways. Go to bestpokercoaching.com, start a blog, update your journey 60 days.

The reason why i ask is to weed out people who are not seriously motivated, but only "think it would be cool to be coached by Gordon".

If you work your ass off, i always have a spot or make sure you will be helped.

That is the case for everybody. So go, go, goooooooo!

So, what do I do on bestpokercoaching.com?
I WILL start a blog, do I already mention you? Do I just start blogging about the first two months (60 days) without you? I have quite some experience with blogging since I've studied about social media, etc.. at university.
I really, really want this.. but I probably want to keep playing 6max instead of heads-up.. not sure what's your approach to this? Maybe we should talk in private through messages or skype.

Let's GOOOGOOOOGOOOO


edit: oooooh your website has a forum too, oversaw that one! I'll start a blog there

Yes, i meant of course the BPC forum. Check out HanstheGreat 6max. He has to have one of the best winrates world-wide for NL100 and 200 (between 8-14bb... roughly 8 tabling!!! over the last 100k hands).
Most credit goes to Hans for his work ethic and positive attitude. You can see how he was breakeven for over 100k hans inbetween, running worse than ****. This is what good people are made off.


The blogging is not there to teach you journalism . It is there for you to keep a public journal and to keep yourself accountable. Same for me. When i take somebody on publicly, i have to show the (poker)world that my "motivational words" are not only words, but a REALITY.

Get yourself a copy of No-bs-6max (find on the bpc site, under poker courses) and if you wanna invest more, get the Doubleyour6maxwinrate course.

Okay, I'll buy the book €47 is not a huge investment.. It's a good way to start, after that we can still work out other things obviously. I'm personal messaged you the link to my blog on BPC

Thanks a lot, in advance.

Bought it! Must say it's pretty basic for someone like me who has been playing 50NL for a while :P but I must say that it's an eye-opener in some way.. I open way too wide UTG, etc..

How do you suggest is the best way to implement the book in your game? (postflop play that is, preflop is just getting to know the ranges obv.)

edit: I'm user above, had to make a new TwoPlusTwo account because I didn't want to be stuck with the "grindation" referral all the time..

Well yes, it is very basic, but effective. I typically recommend this book (+vids) to people who play below NL50, but for somebody playing higher it can still be helpful.

The book is called NO BULL****. So the best way to implement it is to play NO BULL**** .
Start with sticking 100% to the preflop ranges. It is not because they are the GTO version and the ultimate science. It is more about to teach you discipline and to have a "solid" foundation upon which you can then build adaptations on later.

Postflop there are standard lines which you should follow, but then your own thinking will start. Post hands in the BPC strat forum, they will be answered (for free). Post 3 hands a day for 60 days. That are 180 hands. That will help a lot.

for no bull**** 6max, what highest limit can people beat until?

Watching NoBS6M now. Mr. Gekko, you make me laugh hysterically at least once per video.

If you mean for which limits i recommend the course it is clearly microstakes (NL2 up to NL25).

For whom it is "helpful" is another question. My "sample" student Hansthegreat still finds concepts useful at NL200 and other students who even play up to NL1k 6max apply the basic concept of simplicity to their game.
But the people who play higher take away the mindset and attitude that i teach.
Still i would never tell a NL100+ player to buy this course.

Everybody below for sure though.

Great to hear that you like it! I am a big believer of making learning entertaining and fun at the same time.

Some of the things have already helped me at 50NL.. I really should start blogging for BPC.com Gordon..

But I want some homework and stuff too. Daily graphs and VPP updates are rather boring?

Holy **** @ how good Hans runs.