"At least" . You mean you get a complete foundation bootcamp, enormous amounts of free coaching by people making a lot of money... and then think you should back the security deposit after you clearly not follow simple rules?
Short answer, NO.


What I mean by not following rules:
It is literally impossible to lose your bankroll. This is a big myth about "going broke". You can't go broke. You play a lower limit, perhaps the lowest and unless your IQ is below 70, you will win at those limits if you follow simple rules.


Everything is planned for Raul, but we do not refund the security deposit before you finish the contract otherwise we will have too many people come in, use our materials, run away. This is still exclusive and also serves as a placeholder for people who really want to win.

If for whatever reason things don't work out, you are free to quit at any point, it is all clear and accounted for. I suggest you visit bestpokercoaching.com and read a little bit. We keep things very simple.

You gotta understand that as a micro player 500€ is a lot, and I just want to know what happens if I follow the rules and play a lot but still I'm not able to complete the contract, because I can't beat even the lowest levels, not for other reason. But well you made it clear. So if the coaching doesn't makes me a winner even at NL2 I lose 500€+my bankroll...

Yeah maybe I'm below 70 IQ but that doesn't look fair.

None of our winners has EVER talked like you and worried about not beating the idiot levels. The truth is, if you doubt or think there is a real chance you can't, then please don't join.

Anybody who can't beat NL2, yes, poker is not for you.

So my best advice is for you is to get this pathetic loser talk out of you. Are you an adult or 16year old complaining how "unfair" things are. Go build some paper signs and protest... or start working and get **** done.

Nobody gives a **** how "hard" it is and "how much" 500 Euro is for you.

You can buy some stupid motivation tapes and keep your victim mentality.

This here is for adults and people who want to achieve something. If you're not ready, that's fine. You will not be missed.

The only doubt I have is about you taking the deposit and don't giving a fk about me as a player, that's all.

You claim that we the players have no risks, because you only take money if we make profits but that's not true. You take a pretty good deposit that we as a players cannot receive if the coaching program doesn't make us improve.

Pathetic loser talk? You don't know if I'm a loser or not, I just don't gift 500€ to random people without knowing every detail. Pathetic would be giving it.

You could learn manners with some tapes too. Nice way to treat potential clients.

And yeah I think I will pass, since I don't feel like you are interested in helping me improve, gl with the site.

Lol... Which manners ? Have you ever seen some of the BPC videos ?

No, I haven't, I just came here to get some info since I knew nothing about the site.

It's funny that somebody tries to lecture me on manners who is asking if he can be a freeloader

Your baby-egos and tiny dicks make you blind. People who can be blinded by "fowl language" (as a recent review said) are the type of people who I want to keep far far away from me.
One of our finishers (Steezy, 30k month with us) even said that he disliked the tone. Totally fine, he had the balls to tell me directly (even in his review lol) which I respect. But he was not blinded by it.
Nobody can take away the house he recently bought. But yeah, he could have been little Raul and play offended instead... He chose the smarter option.

People who are blinded by it are backstabbers. They are weak and they are the first to cheat and betray. So for all you wannabe-internet-armchair-business-economists, I am not losing money this way.
I'm not a psychologist, so I can't give you elaborate terms, but I'm more than world class at detecting patterns. That's my skill. I smell rats.

Very useful at poker, even more useful pre-spreadsheet times. People who have time to complain about bad language are not those I want to invest in.

I really get angry at incompetence and laziness and I do whatever it takes to get things done. There are no limits. NO LIMITS.

So yeah, you can hide behind "human decency" and all that garbage to justify why you suck. I'm here to turn people into winners and even the haters all agree that there is no better option.

I have 6 years of history here. Proof you can't escape from.

You have words and nice language without typos.

I have results.

So I'll repeat what I always say:

Your pennies will not change my life. But if you put your mind on something, my team can help you change yours forever (at poker, that is).

So anybody who wants to go begging, go somewhere else. This is not a bazaar and I'm not interested in people with bad attitudes.

Go to your garbage training site, or do it on your own.... which ironically will cost you more in the long-run, but the fact you go there shows you're not smart enough to understand this.

Oh wait I'll rethink about it, you convinced me with your skill to see patterns, your dirty talk, the house some guy bought and all that bull****.

Freeloader? Aren't you taking a part of my winnings? And did I asked you if I could be a freeloader? I asked how it works because looked weird to me that you were telling the people that there was no risk, when obviously there is a risk.

Just come clear and tell the truth, there is a risk. That's all I wanted to know, and that's enough for me to know that the site is not as trustable as it should be.

I was really willing to work hard to improve my game but I better find other way, since I don't like liars and douchebags.

With all this said you can come here and suck my tiny rat dick when you want.

Raul, in case it's not clear, nobody wants you to rethink. People like you are not welcome here.

I smell trouble 2 miles away. I even believe that you believe your own bs about something being "unfair". So find a coach who still needs to learn his lesson.

Some readers might think I was overly harsh, but they don't know what I know. I have a year long history of making people succeed at this game.

The main reasons are because he used the words "at least" and "unfair". That reveals his attitude which will cause a lot of problems later on. Let me explain.

I believe in the master-apprentices model, not as an ideology, but because it produces results.
As a student, you first shut up. Your opinion and thoughts are stupid and garbage. You're a noob, so you listen first. You follow what people better than you have done. You do it and once you've successfully completed, then you are free and add your own special spin on things.
This has worked out with my 6-figure-month students. Or "only" 50k or 40k per month in todays "tough games". I'm no longer training them (some of them I mentor), they keep 100% of their profits.

The words "at least" is very demanding and the word "unfair" in combination with that is very manipulative. Raul doesn't even realize this.

Ok, where I'm going is that NONE of them had a demanding attitude. They wanted to learn, but they understood they had to show dedication in return. Everybody joined for selfish reasons, nobody joined to make me money . But the relationship is respectful even if during coaches there are bad words or "fowl language".
They all have my email and get opinions about anything they wish all the time.


Raul thinks he is a customer. Deep down he believes he makes the rules. And that works well as long as he pays. The other party will receive money, everything is fine.

The big problem with Coaching For Profits is that the other party only receives money if Raul follows the rules of the other party and is willing to listen.
People using the word "at least" are not the types who will listen - no matter what they say. That's just how things are...

BPC is not for everybody. We need students to actually win and that requires a different attitude from students. We treat people respectfully (i mean it) who give us the same courtesy. If this were not true, why are we still here, why is this by far the biggest thread?

Again, I'm less concerned with the question "what if it does not work out". That's a fine question to ask... Everybody can find evidence of me (and the team) being very polite and super helpful to people in this thread over the years.

Not opinion, not words, FACTS.

Yeah you see deep into people, if someones says at least they can't listen. You must be a genius.

Sure this need dedication in return, but a deposit return too.

You could be here still by taking 500$ for every client, and yeah I can create a big thread too.

People that knows what misleading advertising is are not welcome here, I can understand why.

Gl with the site.

You can't create. You're a freeloader. Freeloaders don't create, they take . But feel free to prove me wrong.

Until then you words are cheap, i have facts to run on.

Hey Guys,

The week has ended and I'm here to show how our students performed at the tables.

Here is the top 3:



In the first place, we have "MadridistaDude". He is a student in the NLHU Soldier program, as you can see, is not too far away from finishing it:



In the second place, we have "ShawnWallace". He is a NL 6-max IRONMAN student:



And in third place, we have one more NL 6-max IRONMAN student, "ManuGotGame":



Congratulations to the top 3 players, and I wish everyone good luck in this week!

yes, always entertaining watching gordon give some fat loser a beat down.

Okay so I'm an 18 year old just about to finish my A level exams and after them I'll have about 3 months to do whatever the **** I want. I've been playing poker recreationally for about 4 months, I have a general idea of some of the concepts in poker but nothing advanced. I would class myself as a quick learner, hard worker and strong with mathematics (if that comes into it at all) and I'm wondering what options are available for me, if any, for coaching over the course of 3 months? I was looking at your CFP programme in particular. After reading some of this thread I understand theres some kind of security deposit to stop people basically stealing **** without consequence in CFP. How big is this deposit, and what are the conditions around it? Basically I want to become as much of a crusher as possible in that 3 months and if that goes well, perhaps longer. Do you have anything that works with this? If you dont, is there anything you would recommend?

Security deposit is 500 Euro and is refunded upon completion of the program.

You're 18years old. I'm already 30 now. I have helped a lot of people your age to become financially independent in a very fast time, many of which you can read in this thread or on our website (bestpokercoaching.com). I have a soft spot for younger people because it reminds me of myself in a similar situation (without people willing to mentor me...).

Your skills you talk about sound helpful, but they could also mean dog****. Your most important skill is your attitude. Everybody here on the forum is an armchair expert on poker. People talk and pretend to know everything. There is one simple question to make them angry and become weird:

- Have you actually DONE YOURSELF what you are talking about
- Have you helped OTHERS CONSISTENTLY achieving results

Ok, about you:
You might be a quick learner, but I don't know how you react under pressure. Will you become a crybaby? Will you give up after the first downswing? Will you rationalize and blame others?
The truth is I don't know and you don't have to answer this, we can only find out in practise...the only answer that is valid is REALITY. People are scared of reality because then their tiny-dick excuses don't work. Their "if i would have xxx , then i would by yyy" doesn't work anymore.

Make no mistake, you can only achieve this if you make poker your life, #1 priority. Anything less and you will take longer (you can still have success, just a lot smaller lol).

I can't promise you millions after 3 months. What i can promise you is that after 3 months you will know VERY clearly if this is for you or not. You should definitely make money after 2 months. Not much, but you start low and build up and earn the right to each limit.

Imagine you go to university and then find out after 4 years and lots of debt that "it's not really for you".
This here at worst costs you the security deposit and the upside is still insanely good.

Inside the program, you will have to prove yourself. Those who do more, get more attention.

The only thing we demand from our students is DOING THINGS. You do not have to worry about anything else. Just fckn doing, playing and studying.

There is no other secret.

Thanks for the reply, theres a lot to consider. I'll have a think.

Hey guys!

One more week has passed in June, and I'm here to show you the top 3 winners in our CFP programs:



As you can see, the students in the IRONMAN program are dominating the rankings! Iron (head coach of the program) is doing a great job with them!

In the first place, we have "nubson", who is only 10k away from finishing another CFP contract. He has already finished the NLHU Soldier program!



In the second place, we have "ManuGotGame":



And in the third place, we have "ShawnWallace":



Congratulations to the students in the top 3, and good luck to everyone at the tables!

Hi, what is difference between ironman 6m and crusher 6m? They're both aimed at beating the same games, but have different coaches and seems like different strategy content?

Which one is better? or better put...who should apply for what?

Also on your website the IRON course says contract is 60k? but these 3 guys have 30k contract?

Ironman CFP is the hardcore program, with tough requirements of playing hours, a bigger contract and requires a higher skill level than Crusher.

If you can do poker full-time and being a poker pro is what you're all about, Ironman is for you. You will eat, sleep and breathe poker. On the other hand, the Crusher still leaves you some time for other activities in life

You could say Ironman is the elite Crusher group, the best of the guys go for that. Most start in the Crusher, then progress naturally to the Ironman - IF they are committed enough and show we can trust them.

ah cool man thanks for reply.

So just to confirm the IRON is 60k or 30k contract? Nubson, manugotgame and Shawnwallace all say IRON but it looks like they contract is just 30k???

IRON has a 60k contract. It's the type of program where you can call your coach at 3am, like the "original CFP" with the rules that produced people making even 100k/month in todays game (cash games) and 50k ish regularly.

However, you will also be pushed harder than usual. We keep this program elite only, meaning, very strict requirements.

It's just some technicalities with internal accounting when you look at the Nubson and other graphs. Don't let it confuse you.

I would like to ask a question. I already asked in the other BPC forum on 2p2, but there are no responses there while here there have been multiple times already since my question. I am starting to think I should have asked it here.

Question 1:
What are exactly the rules for 1-on-1 coaching for 5 and 10K contracts? I thought it was not possible, but it seems to be possible sometimes
Source

I actually thought of some more questions I would like to ask here

Question 2:
If you unfortunately, for personal reasons for example, decide that you need to stop the contract , you have lose the security deposit, but do you also still have to pay a ' fine ' sometimes for the 1 on 1 coaching hours you had? That used to be a thing, but I thought you removed it now. WOuld like confirmation

Question 3:
What are exactly the ' micro contracts' ? I know there are 5,10,30,60K contracts, but I dnot not know what the micro contracts are

Question 4:
Lets say I start the program next month in July. My profits for the following months are as follows:
July: +1000
August: - 500
September: 500

How much money would i have to pay to BPC monthly? FOr the sake of easiness lets assume a 50/50 split.
I assume it would be:
July: Pay 500
August: Pay nothing
September: Pay nothing (i made a profit this month, but overall I didnt increase my profit due to the losing month in August)

Question 5:
All the info on CFP on your website, about all your pograms. When was this written approximately? Is it updated often? Lets look at the example of CFP Zoom:
https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/cfp-nl-6-max-zoom
I read sometimes things that will come in the future, I wonder how close we are to that future
the same for a database analysis

Question 6 (related to Q5)

Will the Zoom intermediate Course really only be available once you beat NL25? Perhaps it will be usefull when you are still playing (so did not beat) NL25. Again, this depends a bit as well on when the info was written. If it was written this year, it will be a good choice that you do not need it untill NL25. But, (as an extreme example) if this info was written 3years ago, then surely the Zoom Intermediate Course would be very useful/necessary even to beat NL25.


Those were all my questions. I hope you could answer them. Thanks in advance

when is mtt silver and gold being released ?

I answer each, in short.

1) We don't promise this, but as you see and probably read in many reviews, we actually do give 1-1 coachings if the student puts in extra work. Makes sense for us and the student. I can promise that somebody playing 10hrs/week will never receive 1-1 coachign;)).
I can almost guarantee (don't read this as in "promise") that people putting in 40+/week playing will definitely get if they beat Nl5/10

2) There will be no "fine". That was the past. We have a detailed contract/ T&C (public) which explains exactly how quitting works. It's even automated in our system, you don't have to explain yourself altho we will ask for the reason (but you can quit without as well... i don't need people to lie).

3) 5k and 10k are considered micro contracts

4) Correct. Of course, we don't take freerolls on good months. In your example, you only pay after the first month.

5) Contracts and T&C are 100% updated and you will be able to read them before sending us one cent. The versions in the FAQ are 99,9% updated, but of course not legally binding. Smaller details like the one you mention get adjusted over time (we don't change FAQ if we add another session...especially since people who put in more time already get 5times per week... and more than they really need...).

You should read this more as a type of minimum guarantee.

We also have feedback areas: https://www.bestpokercoaching.com/to...x-zoom-course/ . The head coach engages here.

6) It will be available once the coach decides it's good. Some people are worried that others hold back information. And this is true for most coaches - not that I blame them for not giving away everything...
With us it's different. We only win if you win. If you win more, we win more.

in a CFP program, students should follow guidance. You think "oh, i need to see this high stakes course" when in reality it's the worst for your progress.

As a student if you receive FREE COACHING you have to (often blindly) follow the advice of your coach.
I always say if you want to do it "your way", how has that worked out so far?

On the other side, i also like things doing my way, but then i'm fair and pay people for their time and not on my success (which they have no control over if i do whatever i want).

Hope that makes sense!

Best wishes.

If you have any other question, no matter how long, let us know here or via email.

It is already, but in private. What i mean is that people ready for that limit already get the coaching needed.
Ben coaches personally.