I could believe this show would actually write a line like this.

I don't think anyone here with kids would cut their kids arm off to save the group. I don't think anyone with kids would expect or even want a parent to cut their kids arm off for them/group to live.

Yeah, I would be ok with my father cutting my arm off too, but the son isn't the one having to do it, the parent is so it really doesn't matter what Carl wants becvause he doesn't know what he is asking his father to do.

I know this gets said a lot but you don't have kids, so you wouldn't understand.

I would have been begging for death in Rick's group years ago. As an actor, I'd be begging to live, because those paychecks are phat and endless.

ok we can agree to disagree, i do have a dog tho and i'd probably let all of you die before harming her little paws so maybe there's merit to it

From a creative standpoint the Talk Dead is completely stupid. You have a apocalyptic survival horror show for a hour and the guys you just saw dirty and/or dead come out looking clean cut and yuck it up with the host like they just did reality TV

It blows me away that the Talking Dead concept came from this show, not like The Wire or Deadwood. "What's on the wire" or "Fvcking C0vksuckers invading our town"

Just remembered another nit. Negan's right hand man just happens to have handy not just any pen, but the felt tip kind of pen that one would need to be able to mark human skin?!

A key component of shows like that happening is that people watch the original show. That didn't happen with the two you mention. After AMC saw the ratings for the tiny cost Comic Book Men, they saw a potential cash cow with The Talking Dead. It wasn't something they came up with in season 1. I think it happened in season 3, but I can't remember for sure.

You think Negan hasn't done this stunt before? A pencil or regular pen would be bad showmanship, due to potential failure.

Sharpies > pens in the apocalypse

I take it neither of you have lived through a zombie apocalypse, with a chance for your kid and group to go back to your current camp alive, if you haven't you just can't understand.

Another person who doesn't have a kid, good to know.

Another person who has not survived a zombie apocalypse, good to know.

I didn't realize those without kids are unable to even think about a hypothetical situation, like we don't have anyone we care about either, not sure why so many parents turn all smug like this.

Yes, I understand that in your perfectly safe home living in a still functional society, you would never be able to do something like this. I'd say I cannot either, but throw me into the walking dead world for a couple years and seeing the situation they are confronted with, who knows? If you believe Negan's threat, would you rather have a son without a forearm or no son at all? Apparently, being a parent means you would prefer your kid dies than lives with a disability, good to know.

That tiger looks fake as ****

Thanks AMC for showing me my first Christmas commercial before Halloween

These guys are going to get eaten alive by Negan or really anyone. LARPers in the apocalypse, man.

Come on, man, no it didn't.

So pigs eat zombies?

sick of this, man

King Ezekiel? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

lol ****ing Shakespeare with a tiger

Even my wife who's one of the odd ones that loves this show unconditionally was telling me she wasn't too sure about this episode.

What's funny is that the mechanics of it aren't bad. An ordinary guy who fakes being a leader until he turns into a leader and lets the newcomers in on the facade, but then it's a guy speaking thees and thous, with a tiger. Why wasn't everyone like, "yea man lead us but knock it off with the King James"?

Well that was just terrible. Might quit this show pretty soon, can always come back to it if reviews turn good. That ep was just a waste of my life.

The problem the show has is that the gore and violence is so relentless that it's hard to make any characters death impactful. Glens death was issue 100 of the comic and kirkman tried to solve this problem because he wanted to shake the series up and reinvigorate it.

Taking away the choices of ricks group is important to establish a sense of hopelessness that the show had largely lost. and while Negan does come off as cartoonish it's understandable what the writers are going for, the uncontrollable psychopath. I don't think that showing the audience an indepth analysis of his motivation would serve the role that Negan is playing.

Negan, represents a pivot in the type of story TWD is trying to tell. Instead of alternating between travelling on the road and finding pockets of survivors the scope of the show is opening up to show how these individual communities interact with each other. its basically the re-emergence of feudalism, I find the idea of societies developing in certain ways in response to specific environments pretty interesting tbh. It remains to be seen if the show runners can really explore this concept as I don't remember the comics doing that great of a job, but the idea is cool.

Also in response to charges of torture porn, I dont think that glens death is disturbing because of how gory it is. I was disturbed while reading the comic because you have Glen experiencing his final moments of life, having an understanding of how that's going to effect Maggie, and making one last attempt to express his love to her. It's tragic and not something many shows have done for me in such a disturbing way. It's about more than just watching some gross out torture porn like the Saw series.

Also, the show is shot for shot what happened in the comic. This is the walking dead, this is what you signed up to as a fan so I don't really understand how people (not you Dom) who have been on board for those exact reasons are now checking out because it's too over the top. The only explanation I have is that the much of the comic stuff was toned down for the show. For example the prison story line was far more disturbing in the comics than the show. As a fan of the comics I am glad we are getting back to what the story that the comics were trying to tell