Man, what a terrible episode. Would have to be the worst ep of the show to date. Really not excited for this season to be taken over by a moustache-twirling villain. Just a terrible character and can't see this season being anything other than boring and depressing.

I would assume AMC is going hard after whoever leaked the script (I avoided all talk about this season, so I had no idea that happened until now). When I was on the show last season, we were strongly warned not to post anything on social media that even hinted we were on the show, even if it contained no spoilers. Had to sign a detailed NDA and all that. I didn't even post here about my experience until after the season had ended, just in case.

u guys r never happy. first it's "i bet they kill some secondary character in which case im out", now it's "omg they killed big characters but whats the point? and why so gory?". There is no pleasing u guys. just watch the dumb zombie killing show and take it for what it is. I found the hour to go by quick and it was entertaining and that's all that matters. its not a top 10 show and not unwatchable, it's just something to kill time for 45 min while u eat a sandwich.

I thought it was decent opener. The only issue I have with Negan is I don't think the actor is right. This might just be because he was on the good wife but I'm having a lot of difficulty believing he is some psycho rather than a lovable rogue.

lots of confusion wrt Negan leaving them. of course he left them. the idea is they become a territory under his control, not that they abandon where they are.

It wasn't so much the gore that turned me off, it was the over-the-top sadism of Negan. It was ridiculous.

I thought the opening was good. Last season was Terminus with guys causally talking while slitting throats like pigs so the gore was amped up but not a lot. I like Negan's character, he's a bit cartoonish, but so are most of the villains and you know they'd be more Negan type characters, high school seniors tormenting freshman, but with baseball bats and guns since it's the apocalypse, than wierdo Governor types.

It would have been better to have it play straightforward; deaths, Rick getting turned into a dog, hand cutting, instead of the looping flashbacks, but whatever it wasn't the worst. The worst was the dumb voiceover while happily sitting at the table eating dinner.

Horrible writing, horrible acting. It's like their scripts are written by a bot. They seem to think that having 2 or 3 gross out blood and guts scene each week is all they need... that and having everyone crying/close ups of Rick having a breakdown..... glad Glenn is dead though, the pussifying of his character got worse each season.

ya, i actually checked how much left it was on the episode several times because, ep was empty. The suspense of people getting killed was gone cause of the "epic cliffhanger decision", i couldnt care less who got hit by lucille now, and it stayed like that during the ep albeit i got a bit riled up that the tricked us with a second lucille kill. I almost fell asleep during the get-the-axe because there was no suspense and we all knew he would get back alive, with the axe and maybe do another halfassed attempt in killing negan or not before driving back.

also, not that i want it to be on tv or anything but the least believable thing of all in a zombieapocalypse setting considering who Negan and his crew set out to be is that negan and his band of merry men didnt have a thought about raping the women?

I liked terminus opening so much more, and any other for that matter, ****, bring me back the Latino-nurses

Only TWD would run 6 minutes over on an episode where nothing happens for 40 minutes.

was it over the top, if that's what he needed to do to break Rick?

I realize that's a weird question bc the answer could be "well maybe he didn't need to actually break Rick but rather form an alliance with his group" but, that's the show. It's actually Rick's fault as he started this war with the Saviors.

I'm not questioning Negan's strategy to get Rick and Co. to obey him, I'm questioning his obvious enjoyment in doing so.

Think how interesting it would be if the character of Negan was actually tortured by his decisions and hates doing what he thinks was necessary for his people to survive. You know, sort of like the hack writers have been trying to do with Rick all these years.

The problem with Rick is, he never thinks he's in the wrong or that his motivations are anything but logical, necessary decision-making.

As is, Negas is simply a cartoon character. He's Snidely Whiplash. He's the guy who ties the damsel to the train tracks. He has no other purpose but to be a revenge-bot for Rick.

The Governor could also have been more developed in that sense, and yet they just made him an insane villain.

It's kind of expected with the writing they've been doing so far.

I'm with you on this. Whenever Negan comes on screen, between the outfit, the dialogue, and how he's presented, all that's missing is an over the top offscreen intro ala Running Man, pro wrestling, or Ed McMahaon. We get it - Negan is a very, very bad guy. We get it - you want us to abhor him. But geez louise - stop hitting us over the head (pun intended).

Negan has been on two episodes thus far, with maybe 5 minutes screen time the first go round. Mother****ers are acting like we're 2 seasons into his arc already

I hear you. you're asking them to develop a nuanced villain but that's like asking me to run a marathon. not gonna happen.

these writers are terrible

Good article on the premier and why it's crap

Everyone acting like TWD has been some great show for 6 seasons and now criticizing the Neegan storyline, plz. For me, it was still way more entertaining than what's usually going on on this show.

I'm genuinely interested and not judging: what is entertaining about the Negan story line to you? Are you just treating it like camp and laughing at it?

Spoiler from the graphic novel (just in case):

How are you guys still watching this show?

Lol@dominic paying and preying on young women to take dick on camera for money but some goofball over the top gore shakes him to his core.

this makes that nitpick so much better and should have been in this episode, because they are sitting there,in a post apocalyptic setting absolute 10/10 would do girls, i mean abes ex girl and they arent carol which is pretty much how every girl in zombieapocalypse 4 yers in would look.

It wouldve broadened negans character a bit aswell, slightly less cartoonish villain and more a guy that made a "system" that works really well for him.

Rape is still rape dude xx

No good reason really. I mean it was apparent this show was total garbage at some point in the second episode of the series. Every single scene is boring or idiotic, often both. You couldn't pay me to watch NCIS or Chicago Firemen or any such network trash, but even **** like that has better writing and much more believable dialog than TWD, which must be written by a collection of drunk downies.


As boring as the farm and prison were at least the 2p2 thread was a lot of fun back then, and now, while I do have to admit the show is better than it was back then (by default, many of those ep's were close to 100% talks about feelings with the occasional jump scare or death bed dance party, go karl, go karl) It really is the nut low.