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Originally Posted by sj2010
Such a terrible episode. Agree with most that been posted, but here are some other thoughts:
1. Why the **** are they torturing dude for information now instead of before they drove him off? And why would you torture him if you were thinking about letting him stay? IE why do you want him to hate your group?
That's a good point. Like the "week" that went by... what happened during it? The kid knowing Maggie never came up, they apparently never thought to ask the kid about how big his group is or how often they gangraped random people? But once they think they might let him stay, they sic Hillbilly Jack Bauer on him with a ****ing knife?
"Well, it seems like he was just a scared kid who fell in with the wrong crowd and wouldn't have been a threat. But now that I've broken his jaw and stabbed him a little, though, oh man he's definitely going to go back to his friends the second we cut him free."
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2. They could have made the Carl subplot much more compelling if they had him make a conscious decision to spare the zombie. Then they could play up Carl's regret for letting Dale get killed and make him harden up even more. Instead they go for some cheap drama with the zombie tackle and fall into the same useless ambiguity that plagued the Shane/Otis shooting. Screen writers need to look up 'character development' imo. But really, the best solution is to not spend half an episode using boring peripheral characters' random actions (Carl, "state" woman etc) to inch the story further along.
Yeah, it's just the most basic stuff. They are like
compelled to make every character as stupid and incompetent and unlikable as possible. Having a child struggle with the concept of killing in a ruined post-apocalyptic world is an interesting idea. Having that child try to kill a zombie by throwing rocks like a spaz and then trying to poke the zombie with his gun? And then he wins a wrestling match with that zombie, even though the zombie apparently has the ability to tear open a man's stomach with his bare hands?
Where are they going with that?
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3. I loved Rick unilaterally deciding not to kill the prisoner right after preventing Dale from unilaterally deciding not to kill the prisoner. Especially for such a dumb selfish reason as trying to "protect' Carl feelings. GMAFB
Also, lolol at Andrea being a civil rights attorney. They probably mentioned it in season 1 and I forgot, but I probably forgot it because her character as written is not informed in any way by that background.
And that leads me to another point: Besides Rick and Shane(cop, other cop), Hershel(farmer/vet), Lori(Lady Macbeth), and Carl(KARL)... what did any of these people do in the beforetime? Again, we've seen like what, 17 episodes now?
Instead of characterizing any of the minor characters the writers allocate every available minute of screentime to have Rick/Shane/Lori argue about the same **** they've been arguing about for the whole show.
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Originally Posted by Losing all
Nice of the writers to smash us over the head with the "keeping our humanity" horse****, yet again. They even had to spell it out for us word for word just in case we missed it the first hundred times. I still don't see any reason why it's assumed this kid wants revenge for saving his life and is thus a huge threat (at least not until the torture and repeated mock executions, not to mention the gang rape confession from out of nowhere, wtf).
LOL, yeah, in some of Dale's dialogue this show it seemed like he was reading the parts that were in parenthesis. When he goes to Hershel and says "I know you're a man of principle!!!" that was
amazing.
P.S. BONUS COMPLAINT
Did anyone else LOL about the weird hamhanded way they tried to bring political issues into the show? Like Rick randomly mentions the death penalty to Lori for some reason, or Hershel's inexplicable 5 minute long monologue about immigration?