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07-29-2011 , 08:33 PM
goldfish spoilers :

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there's a mirror in the tank. when he puts his hands in, you're actually seeing his front (left) hand twice.
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07-30-2011 , 06:34 AM
Thanks Yeti, after watching it a few more times I think can understand how now.

One other question, with the quick change groups, what happens to the clothes? Do they stick the old outfits onto the curtains? How about with the confetti type thing?
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07-30-2011 , 09:25 AM
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i don't know exactly how it works to be honest but i'm sure you could google it.

i don't think they are dumping the clothes most of the time, only when they're inside the black tubes. i think most of the changes including the confetti one involve the top outfit retracting back into some compartment in the middle of her back. just guessing though.
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07-30-2011 , 10:24 AM
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quick change :

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i don't know exactly how it works to be honest but i'm sure you could google it.

i don't think they are dumping the clothes most of the time, only when they're inside the black tubes. i think most of the changes including the confetti one involve the top outfit retracting back into some compartment in the middle of her back. just guessing though.
i think:

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that all clothes are double sided, so that the inside of the top of her dress is the bottom of the next dress that comes out. she unclips one dress at a time so that it falls from shoulders to legs. that is why her chest/shoulders get smaller and her legs get "fatter" (also the dresses get longer with each one)
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07-30-2011 , 10:39 AM
Here's a video of how it was likely done on AGT. It should pretty much tell you all you need to know.
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07-30-2011 , 02:29 PM
I think that video has some poor guesses.

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Stepping into outfits, clipping things on, rewrapping things around... these are all needlessly complex. I suspect it's just the two simple techniques other posters have already stated.

1. Whenever the full body is concealed, the entire outer outfit comes off and stays behind in the bag.

2. Whenever only partially concealed, the outermost top part is unclipped, it falls and unfolds to become the new-colored bottom, exposing the matching next layer on top. The extra material for all these dress bottoms is tightly packed around the torso inside each top.
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07-30-2011 , 04:12 PM
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upturned 7d in the second deck has to be pre-arranged, so there must've been some sort of force involved? nice trick
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07-30-2011 , 04:38 PM
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I think that video has some poor guesses.

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Stepping into outfits, clipping things on, rewrapping things around... these are all needlessly complex. I suspect it's just the two simple techniques other posters have already stated.

1. Whenever the full body is concealed, the entire outer outfit comes off and stays behind in the bag.

2. Whenever only partially concealed, the outermost top part is unclipped, it falls and unfolds to become the new-colored bottom, exposing the matching next layer on top. The extra material for all these dress bottoms is tightly packed around the torso inside each top.
I agree with your disagreement, but does the video never suggest 1 or 2? I thought it did, but as evidenced by my posting earlier in this thread I seem to have a habit of not really knowing what I'm watching. Maybe in my mind, I've changed what the video said to what I thought would be true. I only saw the video years ago.
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07-30-2011 , 05:15 PM
WTF @ the fake bald black guy trick! He just revealed the entire trick at the end, at least if he had gone and sat down there might be some chance he'd get away with it. Or did he seriously think the number crap was going to fool P&T?
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07-30-2011 , 08:56 PM
the only thing they didn't touch on with the incognegro trick was the cost of the trip, but there were plenty of ways to accomplish that prediction as well.

both card tricks were great. i've seen so many russian roulette tricks that they are just boring now. they take so long to set up for such an obvious payoff. i didn't even care how this particular one was done, i just wanted it to be over.

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upturned 7d in the second deck has to be pre-arranged, so there must've been some sort of force involved? nice trick
the card being signed busts this method
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07-30-2011 , 10:51 PM
The totals could've been a simple math problem where no matter how he chose the total would always be the same.

That trick was really lame I kept thinking what's up with the black guy the way he kept shaking his head and stuff. Then once the reveal came there was no way he was fooling Jonathan Ross let alone P&T.
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07-31-2011 , 01:06 AM
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the card being signed busts this method
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While waiting for the whole episode to appear on youtube, I ended up seeing this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8F6uqqp8UY

Same magician, same trick done to Ellen (among other things). He forces the 8 on her. Maybe a coincidence, but that's very close to Penn's 7

Anyway, I watched again the version on Fool Us. The key is around the time of the deck switch/getting the pen out of his pocket. The deck he comes back with is, I believe, a joker on top of the deck, and the sealed boxed deck below. This is why in both versions of the trick, he removes a joker -- he needed it there so the deck would look unboxed when it went into Penn's/Ellen's hands. You can see him putting the signed card into the deck. Since I'm claiming that deck is already sealed and boxed, there must in fact be a break in the seal that Penn couldn't spot. (looked at it again -- Penn touched the plastic, where did that slit go?!)

If there were no break in the seal, then it would be a more powerful trick to let Penn/Ellen open the box themselves, right?

Eh, loved it no matter what. Except the whole Canadian accent thing, that's one of the strongest I've heard.
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07-31-2011 , 02:58 AM
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However,
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While waiting for the whole episode to appear on youtube, I ended up seeing this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8F6uqqp8UY

Same magician, same trick done to Ellen (among other things). He forces the 8 on her. Maybe a coincidence, but that's very close to Penn's 7

Anyway, I watched again the version on Fool Us. The key is around the time of the deck switch/getting the pen out of his pocket. The deck he comes back with is, I believe, a joker on top of the deck, and the sealed boxed deck below. This is why in both versions of the trick, he removes a joker -- he needed it there so the deck would look unboxed when it went into Penn's/Ellen's hands. You can see him putting the signed card into the deck. Since I'm claiming that deck is already sealed and boxed, there must in fact be a break in the seal that Penn couldn't spot. (looked at it again -- Penn touched the plastic, where did that slit go?!)

If there were no break in the seal, then it would be a more powerful trick to let Penn/Ellen open the box themselves, right?

Eh, loved it no matter what. Except the whole Canadian accent thing, that's one of the strongest I've heard.
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i think you're right, it looks like after he places the deck back in penn's hands at the end he says "and i'll remove one card" (and then he points out it's the joker and continues on with the "better yet, i'll do this, blah blah) there has to be something about that move with the joker that does something with the seal while it's in their hands... i don't know how but that seems to be related, where as he slides it out maybe it adheres something to seal it back up.
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07-31-2011 , 08:38 AM
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WTF @ the fake bald black guy trick! He just revealed the entire trick at the end, at least if he had gone and sat down there might be some chance he'd get away with it. Or did he seriously think the number crap was going to fool P&T?
Have no idea how he thought that would be good. I like how he says "that part you got right" talking about the numbers, what other parts was there?!

Any idea how Teller did the 100 needles trick?
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07-31-2011 , 10:10 AM
for the french closeup trick, there must have been a serious amount of time for deliberating, as the spread out deck is removed from the table 1/2 way through it.

thought that the 2 closeup card tricks were fantastic and that the other 2 were not great at all.
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07-31-2011 , 12:35 PM
Wow that one trick was the stupidest thing I've seen.

How did he expect that to ever fool P&T? Also he just comes off as cocky, so it makes him look even more stupid when it gets revealed. It's also not a trick which P&T can reveal without completely giving the entire thing away, making him look even stupider. The choice of music for when he went up on stage was really poor too. The host's reaction to the end is pretty dead on. That's quite... something.

P&T did this trick in their own show, which Penn hints at at the end, but they do it in a much, much better way that is more humorous and not as easy to figure out.

I can't figure out how the guy in the first trick knows exactly where to put the card. I think I can see him closing the box and sealing it, but I'm not sure how he gets the card in the right spot.

Russian roulette one was pretty bad and dull.

I think that the third guy should've skipped the business card bit and the watch bit too, unless he needs time to do the rest of the trick.

I think his trick was great though, no idea how the card got into the bottle or how he did Penn's part.

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08-01-2011 , 02:19 PM
I think he was the only black man in the audience.
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08-01-2011 , 07:17 PM
As others have said, I thought both of the card tricks this episode were very good. I have no idea how they did either of them, and both seem so impossible that it almost forces me to think that Penn and Teller must be in on it (providing signed cards beforehand). Obviously that's not true, so very well done. I saw the move to grab the new deck, and the point of the joker, but just like Penn I have no idea about the last part.

Teller's trick was pretty cool. He was extremely deliberate with all of his moves, clearly showing his hands the entire time and everything going in and out of his mouth. If he hadn't done that, then obviously everyone would think that it was just fancy sleight of hand. It's the little details like that that make P&T so good. I was thinking about this other day - their tricks on this show haven't been that mind blowing (concrete head, nail gun, etc) but they're such good showmen that I don't care.

Agree with everyone else on the other two tricks being significantly worse. I didn't immediately suspect the black guy to be the magician but I could tell that something wasn't right with him.
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08-01-2011 , 07:22 PM
I also suspected something up with the black guy when he was wearing sunglasses inside. I didn't think he was the magician for sure, but something was off.
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08-01-2011 , 07:25 PM
It blew my mind when I saw them live and the goldfish appeared.
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08-01-2011 , 07:25 PM
It was his hands for me. Just looked so fake then I looked closer at his movements and the whole thing just looked weird.

Card tricks were both excellent. I think the amazing thing about the French guy was the fact that the part designed to fool isn't even the one I was most amazed with. How the hell did he get Teller's card in the bottle?
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08-01-2011 , 07:50 PM
Is the French guy's entire act shown?
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08-01-2011 , 08:02 PM
i think there's some bits missing, like at one point the container the bottle is in seems to flip in the space of a few seconds without him touching it.




farquhar is so sick good.
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08-01-2011 , 08:10 PM
I don't get how the French guy takes the can of English wine out from the cylinder thing, yet it is still sealed at the bottom of both ends. I think the part where he gets the card into the bottle and the bottle into the cylinder is not shown. Also could possibly give him time with the deck to flip the 4c around. Still have no idea how he would know was the card though. Originally I thought that it had just bled through, or been pushed in like a piece of carbon paper, the piece of paper and he read it, but that is what P&T asked.
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08-01-2011 , 10:04 PM
I wasn't paying attention to the black guy at all but I immediately noticed that handwriting on the number ("$1,475" I think it was?) was absolutely identical and very distinctive. Seems like a pretty big oversight.
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