Thoughts about the finale:

I had concerns from the beginning that the mythology of the show would push it into ridiculously campy territory, but luckily after the ridiculous tail-castration scene, the show seemed to ground itself in more realism (well, as much it's possible in sci-fi). I actually like Art's character more than most other people do. Sarah, who possesses the best instincts of any of the clones by far, is right to trust him. Hopefully he's featured more in the second season. As strong as the writing on the show is for the clone characters/Felix, the writers have done a terrible job with Paul's character. Just because your protagonist is female doesn't mean she needs a love interest, especially one that's so one-dimensional and boring. Even Vic is a more compelling character than Paul.

Unfortunately, she has no shot against Claire Danes. She could sneak in a nomination, I guess.

Just finished marathoning this over the past 2 days. It has already been said in nearly every post here but the lead is incredible. Really glad I ended up watching this, I was pretty well entranced by it.

I like Art a lot too, I agree, hope he gets more screen time.

I have reservations about the finale.

Allison watching Aisnley die was a WTF moment? Why would she do that? I mean, I knew all along that Ainsley wasn'r her handler, but Allison still thought so, but...WTF?

The patent thing is a bit ridiculous. You can't patent a human being. Even a cloned human being. You can patent the process, but that's about it.

Still, I'm in for the next season. I loved most of this show.

So Mrs. S. is the one who took Kira, correct? She's in on it?

It was implied Mrs S was one of the scientists is how I interpreted that picture, but I could be wrong.

You can patent DNA.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38dad808-b...#axzz2VBzflBqf

Or at least you can as of the time they broadcast the episode.

You cant patent people, presumably, but its not like this is tested law. Questionably Kira, Sarah's daughter, could be given to the company under the right circumstances of judgement on whether the patent and the resulting creations from it grant ownership, given a company is a person under US law it is theoretically possible.

lol no it's not. But I'll let it go for dramatic purposes.

Enjoyed the first season of Orphan Black. However, I thought the finale wasn't very good.

So the big thing is... contracts? Jeez. So like "you better keep quiet, because we patented you and technically we own you." I mean what!? How in any way does that change the story? Human cloning is still human cloning, ha. I just don't get the impact at all of this contract stuff. Why does this big bad corporation care if they sign this contract? I can't buy into this development.

The Mrs. S stuff seemed obvious after the introduced monitors, it was going to be her or Felix.

I think the strongest aspect of the show are the police scenes. Art is a good character and complex.

Allison's husband being her monitor seemed obvious too. It wasn't even meant to be a reveal was it?

Show dropped from a A- ish to a B- ish after the finale. I'm worried about the story going forward. The big story lines going forward I assume are the clone ability/inability to have children, this respiratory illness in the clones, and then the evil company and maybe more religious whack jobs too? Meh.

Some things are just so dumb too, like all of them continuing to basically live at Beth and Felix's places. The general lack of an attempt to go under the radar with everything going on... I guess that is a production decision for budget reasons? Don't want to always have new sets?

I think the show does a great job of mixing humor and sci-fi and I laugh a lot while watching, I certainly have fun watching Orphan Black and that is all I really ask for out of a show.

I'm invested and I'll be watching, but, I'm not sure I'm still going to be recommending this to my friends.

Sarah doesn't have a monitor because they did not know where she was or even that she existed.

Mes. S.'s secret will not be that she is with the scientists/corporation now, but that she was with them before. And she ran with Sarah to protect her. She's not a monitor. She fled with Kira when danger approached or she and Kira have been taken together by the badies.

I agree, thought this was a bit ridiculous. But then again I also thought her actions over the last couple weeks strained believably. I guess it is hard to really know how someone who just had her life turned inside out would react, so it doesn't bother me that much, but still think Allison turning into a psycho is one of the weaker points of the last part of the season.

I think the believably of this part depends on how they play it next season. I mean of course patenting a human being is ridiculous, but to me it didn't seem like the clones were concerned about about being legally owned by the corporation, they were concerned that the corporation wanted to legally own them. And of course this contradicted what they had been telling them.

This still leaves the corporation's decision to include this sequence in their genomes as somewhat ridiculous. But there are plenty of somewhat plausible explanations for this happening ~30 years ago. We already know they hold some fanatical views, and this alone is somewhat of a justification for them including this sequence. We don't have even close to the full picture yet.

Just finished this off over a few days. It's pretty great. It's a little frustrating that the clones are so stupid - I'm guessing genetically enhancing their intelligence wasn't on the agenda. What's up with Cosima falling for Delphine? She identified her early on as a possible monitor and the whole time I'm thinking she's playing some elaborate sting operation ... nope she is just that stupid. Sarah sending the '**** you' email to the top clone without going on the run first? Killing me.

Agree that this patent thing is a bit silly. I hope Dr. Leekie did not pay his lawyer much. Just put a patent in their genetic code and you're protected! It's brilliant. Just to make sure we'll get them to sign a NDA. They're probably going to make some kind of claim that they aren't human so don't attract the protections at law humans have. I'm not sure this will be a good development.

Agree that Mrs. S is probably keeping Kira safe. You can't raise a child for decades and then raise their child and still be a bitch, surely.

Well I'm just hoping it doesn't get all preachy about cloning and human life and turn into a worse version of The Island. Hopefully they delve a bit more into Kira's restorative powers. Be good to see Sarah develop some superpowers. Let's turn this into a full-blown Dark Angel clone I say (but no more tails or animals, ie not Dark Angel season 2).

If it doesn't take itself too seriously and keeps Felix and Art involved I reckon it has a couple more seasons in it at least.

There's speculation that Mrs. S is the original.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It would have been really dumb if the clones were enhanced in any way so I am really glad you are not writing the show Xenq.

Well it seems fairly obvious that is where they are heading with Kira. Haven't noticed anything about the others except maybe Helena healing up fairly rapidly after the shank to the gut.

There is a huge gulf between potentially enhanced healing in Kira, which is a questionable leap to make, and Dark Angel. Even basics like "they heal from injuries faster" needs some good writing behind it, anything more is going to go off the deep end into ridiculousness as everyone else has basically worried about happening.

Yeah I wasn't being entirely serious with the superpowers comment, more using it as an opportunity to lament Dark Angel's demise. That said, I'm not sure how the clones are supposed to compete going forward. The first season for the main part wasn't adversarial as they were still working out what Neolution's deal was. Now Kira has been taken, how are they realistically going to compete with an organisation that not only managed to run a (successful) covert human cloning program but has the connections to presumably get a slam-dunk case of theft, obstruction of justice, impersonating a police officer etc. dropped at a moment's notice.

Early on I was struck by how quickly Sarah picked up shooting (reminded me a bit of River in Firefly). Giving them some kind of edge might be the only way to balance things up. I don't feel it's automatically a terrible idea but agree the execution would need to be perfect.

The Ursula and Sabina Eriksson clones had superhuman healing powers.

http://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/patenting-dna

DNA patenting.

I found the finale underwhelming tbh. Was pretty bored during the whole episodes, some "reveals" weren't reveals (ie: Alisson's husband being the handler. Who didnt see that coming? Who didn't see the new clone, the boss, coming either? Bleh).

She's a minor character, but Art's new partner might be the worst actor i've ever seen. She tilts me off on every line.

I'll tune in for the next season, cuz even if I wasn't amazed by the finale it was still a pretty cool serie and season. I'm curious to see what happens with Kira, and Ms. S.

This. Freaking. Show.

Absolutely hooked. And I have no problem with that being 99% because of Tatiana. Just put her on the screen and I'm watching.

Looks like our girl won the Critics Choice award.

Does that have any influence at all with the Emmy's?

Yeah, I just finished the season, and I'm really unsure if I'll tune in for the next. The show just has so little restraint and hams to a level or two below Batman and Robin. Like, why did the location scout pick an abandoned battleship as Thomas' base? Why does Felix live in a loft that looks like it's a set from an "edgy" sit-com? Why does the camera have to do all those silly focus effects?

I really want to like this show, but I end up resenting it because it's executed with the subtlety of gay porn on the jumbo-tron in the middle of the Superbowl.

+1

I also love Vic; same actor as Vaas from Far Cry 3, has his own style.

When he told her. He said that she called him first before calling it in and that he was the one that put the cell phone in Maggie's hand.