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Orange is the New Black - Season 4 Orange is the New Black - Season 4

06-21-2016 , 06:14 AM
i just finished episode 10 and i'm pretty into it now. i think it got a lot better.

although.... i did read this essay by chris hedges about teaching a writing class in prison and it made me have more empathy about what's going on in prisons

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...thing_20131215


it made me like this show better
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06-21-2016 , 08:52 AM
Every time I watch the show it reminds me how insane the US legal system is. People are condemned to multiple years in prison for things where you'd be fined in here.
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06-21-2016 , 11:31 AM
Episode 11 was really good.
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06-21-2016 , 08:16 PM
episode 12

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damn
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06-21-2016 , 09:50 PM
Haven't watched that far yet but the consensus is that the last few episodes are very strong.
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06-22-2016 , 12:17 AM
The last few are good.

Thoughts on the season.
[spoiler]I felt the problem with the beginning and mid episodes is that there wasn't much at stake. The show isn't gritty realism but, to me, there's always been some sense of potential danger, dread that something's going to happen, or big consequences that evens out the comedy. Without it it feels like hipster prision. [/spoiler]
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06-22-2016 , 02:00 AM
Pretty good season.

As always,

Spoiler:
Piper and Vause unbearable (along with Ruby Rose but she was only on screen for like a minute.)

Very strong acting from the C-Block girls, imo.


And the real shame of the season,

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Not enough Flaca
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06-22-2016 , 02:47 AM
one of my favorite acting moments was from the crazy white girl who got married last season. i'll put it in spoilers even though its not at all plot related. it comes somewhere around the middle of the season iirc....

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her husband is visiting her, and they start having "phone sex", sex just by talking right in the middle of the visiting room with kids around and everything. and she gets so into the talking sex a tear rolls down her cheek!


a really brilliant piece of acting
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06-22-2016 , 02:53 AM
the acting in the show is so strong. i think pussay washington was great AND i think she was one of the weaker performances!! ruby rose was atrocious though. like, i cant believe she is on tv bad.

and its really nice they fixed the men characters from the first season. if you remember, all the men characters in season one were just awful. this season, the male characters go through lots of interesting stuff.
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06-22-2016 , 04:11 AM
I don't even mind Piper and Alex (although I think their screentime should be reduced), but I hate Daya so much. The black runner is also annoying.
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06-22-2016 , 01:46 PM
Finished it, last 3 episodes alone made this season from "ok" to "pretty damn good".

As said before, acting is seriously impressive all around. +1 on Daya being the least likeable character left as well. Also don't like the tranny that came back from the SHU.
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06-22-2016 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by biggetje
Finished it, last 3 episodes alone made this season from "ok" to "pretty damn good".

As said before, acting is seriously impressive all around. +1 on Daya being the least likeable character left as well. Also don't like the tranny that came back from the SHU.
Oh right, I forgot her since she fortunately didn't have much screen time.

It will interesting to see where Soso's character will go in next season, I hope it won't be full season of crying.
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06-22-2016 , 06:40 PM
I forget each character's reason for being incarcerated but I would think, since its a minimum security prison, most would be getting out quicker than they seem to be.

I know a lot have added time and the events of the finale are sure to mess with a few sentences.
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06-23-2016 , 02:31 PM
I enjoyed this season, certainly want more of this show.

There is no other current show that keeps that many characters/protagonists interesting.
Story arcs are sometimes a bit convoluted and sometimes don't pay off or just disappear which doesn't really bother be since the show is so character-driven that those things don't stand out as much as they should.

I think everybody has favorite characters and less favorite characters which then leads to a general feeling that some screen-time is wasted but that actually is what makes the show good because it's so balanced.

Overall, I think the flashbacks became more insignificant and I could live without them.

If you really want to hate this show there will be many plot-holes and little things to nitpick but I don't because is this show is so different and diverse that I can focus on all the positive things, the acting and the great characters.
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06-23-2016 , 02:40 PM
Honestly thought the season was pretty weak as a whole. lots of recycled plots. last couple episodes were decent so I guess there's hope for next season
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06-23-2016 , 02:47 PM
Having been in federal prison myself, this show is strangely super realistic. This is basically exactly how lower level federal prisons are. State may be different, higher security may be different. But they are spot on.
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06-24-2016 , 04:53 AM
Season four was a step up from season three for me. Many spoilers ahead for the entire season.


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I thought the murder cover up story with Alex, Lolly etc was pretty interesting the actress that plays Lolly really brings it in season four, it's shame she gets taken away because I enjoy her screen time.

The Poussey and Soso love story was very boring of course they built it up because they were leading to her death. I don't get how no one tries to give her CPR after she loses consciousnesses. Glad that Piper and the others are out of the panty smuggling game, felt that was pretty boring and over done in season three.

I don't get how Maria doesn't get sent to max or something along those lines when Piscatella nails her for running a gang, dislike the show focusing on her instead of Flaca and Maritza. Maria's resting bitch face act is annoying as was Daya's mom. Found it hard to believe that Gloria just yields to the younger Latina's after having so much power in previous seasons.

If Kukudio and Crazy eyes healing together is the love story plot line that we are going to get for season 5, not looking forward to it. Watson is unbearable whoever said that up thread good call. Taystee is on the other hand is a wonderful actress thought she was great all season, her reaction to losing her friend was some of the best drama on the show ever.

Enjoyed the break from Nikki, wouldn't mind if they killed her off with an OD disliked her scenes where she was being rapey with Lorna.

Guessing there is a chance Linda comes out of the bathroom stall and shoots Daya or someone else in a panic if they resume season 5 from the riot scene, maybe from there she becomes an inmate. Enjoyed Judy King, liked her threesome with Yoga Jones and Luschek. I don't know if she'll be kept beyond this season but I hope she is.

Felt the show kept with it's strong undertone of misandry, we get no updates on Piper's husband, on Bennett, on Pornstash. Healy may well be written out of the show with him being shown knitting in a psych ward in the finale, Pennsatucky's love interest rapes her, Bailey is likable until he kills Poussey.

CO Humphrey made to be very unlikeable but with his background could have PTSD we get no reasoning behind his jackassery nor Piscatella who is another male bully CO the women have to deal with.

Caputo is very conflicted, seemingly wanting to do the right thing but not able to do it most of the time. I think the show can be about women with empowering themes without beating us over the head that men are bad. I feel Danny is the only male character that they haven't done this with yet but his role is pretty minor.

Quick edit to agree Ruby Rose is horrible, doesn't belong on the show or TV IMO.
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06-28-2016 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chrystie
Having been in federal prison myself, this show is strangely super realistic. This is basically exactly how lower level federal prisons are. State may be different, higher security may be different. But they are spot on.
You should start an AMA thread.
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07-04-2016 , 12:37 AM
Don't read until you've watched the whole season:

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[spoiler] season kinda sucked till the last few episodes. Penultimate episode where poussee dies was the best obviously. Had to watch the finale after and was like do I really need more pousee flashbacks to sympathize?

The last shot of the season couldn't not have put a more sour taste in my mouth, feel like it ruined how powerful the previous episode and the previous scene with Diaz were. Just force it down our throats already WE ALREADY FEEL FOR HER HER CHARACTER HAS BEEN SYMPATHETIC AND INNOCENT FOR 4 SEASONS.

I wanna see what happens, not more back story for a dead character. More conflict and present time development, back stories please.

Also, are they gonna ignore that crazy was going crazy and that led to pousee dying more than the guards actions?


Taystee probably the best actor on the show. Piper probably the worse.

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07-08-2016 , 08:32 PM
I remember liking season one but then the quality has been declining ever since. Kinda like house of cards. I don't care enough to watch the next season. If you're a SJW though this is definitely the show for you.
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07-08-2016 , 10:13 PM
Finally finished this and found it very enjoyable. Easily the best season yet and left me wanting more. I thought season one was good, season 2 bad, season 3 worse so I wasn't looking all that forward to season 4 but it delivered. Can't wait for next season now!

4>>>>>>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2>>>>>>>>>>3
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07-09-2016 , 07:41 AM
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Finally finished this and found it very enjoyable. Easily the best season yet and left me wanting more. I thought season one was good, season 2 bad, season 3 worse so I wasn't looking all that forward to season 4 but it delivered. Can't wait for next season now!

4>>>>>>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2>>>>>>>>>>3
Can you skip season 2 and 3 and go straight to 4, without missing too much? I stopped watching after a couple of episodes of 2.

Also what is a SJW?
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07-09-2016 , 11:13 AM
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Can you skip season 2 and 3 and go straight to 4, without missing too much? I stopped watching after a couple of episodes of 2.

Also what is a SJW?
Probably. You will miss out on some character development but no interesting story lines. I have no clue what a SJW is either?
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07-09-2016 , 03:18 PM
Social justice warrior.
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07-19-2016 , 12:10 AM
i watched 1, half of 2, and read wiki + final ep of 3 and then just finished 4. I was a little lost in a couple places but overall I'd say you should be fine watching it

Agree that the flashbacks from the last couple episodes were total filler and not relevant at all, i agree with what yeota is saying here

i'd give the season 6.5/10 or so
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