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04-26-2016 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Just binged the first 5 episodes, wow.

Didn't realize A Most Wanted Man was also le Carre. That one is also money.
Ewan McGregor, Damien Lewis, and Stellan Skarsgard are in the next John Le Carre based movie coming out mid-2016...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ccJUw7Bk-E

Its called "Our Kind of Traitor".
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04-26-2016 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Yeh I'm just about to watch last one too. Really loving it.

Tom Hollander's gay lawyer was fantastic. My only issue is Hugh Laurie, although obviously evil, is so damn charming he's kind of won me over...
I think that's sort of the point
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04-27-2016 , 01:16 PM
Watched the 2nd episode on AMC last night. Great show so far.

How are you all binge watching it already? Is it on Hulu or Amazon or something? I know it's not on Netflix.
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04-27-2016 , 01:22 PM
Finished in the UK a week or two ago.
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04-27-2016 , 01:23 PM
Oh. Guess it's just lol America. We're behind
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04-27-2016 , 05:10 PM
2nd episode way better than the first

I'm scared to read this thread though since many have already seen the entire season
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04-28-2016 , 10:49 AM
Agree with the above. I think it was better because it was mostly House-centric. Loki bores me to tears.
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04-29-2016 , 04:38 PM
2nd episode better than the first. Also noticed Brutus from "Rome" as one of the smug British intelligence (MI-6?) guys.
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05-04-2016 , 09:46 PM
Enojyed ep #3. I'm a little confused about the scene in the Commonwealth Office between the Americans and British. Is at as simple as the people on Roper's payroll were trying to convince the higher-up (Rex) to force Angela and Steadman to close their investigation?

The bribing offer afterwards by Geoffrey and the scene where Raymond (had to IMDB) had the face to face with Roper in Monaco was just to make it clear they are both on his payroll?
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05-10-2016 , 02:26 AM
2nd episode was great...
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05-10-2016 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by WoodsGOAT
I thought the ending was full of the usual movie clichés. First few episodes were great then it sort of slid off a cliff a bit. Not terrible as a whole but something to watch once perhaps, 6.5/10.
I've read nearly all that Le Carré has published, and after the first few good ones, I found myself usually being disappointed by the endings, mostly because nearly all were variations of the same ending. The path to the ending was almost always interesting though.

I've enjoyed the first three episodes.

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For anyone in the mood for a great spy TV series check out Le Carre's "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy", and the follow up "Smiley's People". The cleverest TV there has ever been. I think they can be found on You Tube. I rate them as the greatest TV series ever made.
I agree about the quality of "Tinker Tailor...". It is a work of art dressed up as a spy whodunit. Viewers coming new to the production might find the look and technical side dated - but it was made nearly 40 years ago. The script and acting stand up though.

Le Carré himself seems to agree. In a recent column in the Guardian promoting "The Night Manager" and describing his experiences as an author having his work adapted to film and TV, (you might prefer to wait until you've seen the whole series to read the column - there's a couple of slightly spoilerish comments about the ending) Le Carré says
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So what movies from my work, if any, do I remember with pleasure, even pride?

The good news is, bad movies get forgotten in a day;...

Pleasure? Pride? In the case of The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, yes to the pride, no to the pleasure. My brief passage with the troubled, brilliantly talented Richard Burton left behind a sadness that was accentuated by his early death. ...

The movies I like best to remember – crass as it may seem – are those that were the happiest in the making. Not laughter all the way: not that kind of happiness at all. But movies where director, cast and crew came genuinely to relish what they were making; where the inevitable squabbles and rivalries gave way to a larger, shared purpose.

The first – and chief – of these remains for ever the BBC’s production of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, with Alec Guinness in the lead, which gathered a near-mystical groundswell as the seven-month shoot ran on. When it was done, the makers showed the whole piece to an invited audience at Bafta – four episodes before lunch, three afterwards. If anyone had put a bomb under the building, we’d have lost half the top brass of British Intelligence. And they loved it. So did I. Even Alec – eternally hard to please where his own work was concerned – loved it.
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The 2011 Tinker Tailor film with Gary Oldman/Tom Hardy is really good too, the series is only better because it has more time to work with.
I found the movie disappointing in comparison, though still better than the average Hollywood production. While the complexity of the plot benefits from the extra time afforded by the miniseries format, another reason for the miniseries' superiority was the characterization of Smiley - the anti-Bond - by Sir Alec Guinness.

I have wondered whether Le Carré (who was an MI5 officer at the time he started his writing career, and later joined MI6) concocted Smiley as a deliberate riposte to James Bond. (During WW II, Ian Fleming served in the Royal Navy as personal assistant and deputy to the Director of Naval Intelligence). Smiley is everything that Jame Bond is not. He's dowdy, taken advantage of by women and tailors, a man of books, not action. His wife describes him as "breathtakingly ordinary". As a result, much less a comic-book character, and more like many actual intelligence officers.

I haven't seen the "Smiley's People" miniseries. Must look for it. I do remember thinking that "Smiley's People" was the weakest of the Karla trilogy of books despite (or maybe because of) the payoff of the more conventional ending. "The Honourable Schoolboy" was between the other two volumes in quality as well as order.

Le Carré's classic "The Spy who Came in From the Cold" was made into a pretty good movie starring Richard Burton (four BAFTA awards including best picture and best actor, the Golden Laurel, and an Oscar nomination). In addition to "The Spy...", "Tinker Tailor..." and "Smiley's People", about a dozen other of Le Carré's books have been made into movies and/or TV miniseries. Not a bad record.

And an Easter Egg: John Le Carré play a bit part in "The Night Manager", credited under his real name, David Cornwell.

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05-10-2016 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl Ikon
Hotel manager (who is a former British soldier) of a high end Egyptian hotel during the "Arab Spring" gets recruited by the CIA and MI-6 to infiltrate the organization of the world's top arms dealer.

Its a realistic style spy story, not James Bond or Jason Bourne.
Actually, it is neither the CIA nor MI6 that recruits him, but a separate small British agency tasked with combating the illegal arms trade.
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That distinction may turn out to be important.


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Originally Posted by erroneous
Enjoyed ep #3. I'm a little confused about the scene in the Commonwealth Office between the Americans and British. Is at as simple as the people on Roper's payroll were trying to convince the higher-up (Rex) to force Angela and Steadman to close their investigation?
Sort of. I'm not so sure that it is correct to say that those people in the Permanent Secretary's office were established to be on Roper's payroll. Perhaps they were. At least some of the people in the meeting were MI6 officers.

During the series you will hear references to "the River House" This is how the show refers to Vauxhall Cross, the HQ of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.

Something the show does quite well, though it may be too subtle to be noticed by American viewers, is to show class distinctions. With the notable exception of Rex, the British people in the meeting are (or affect to be) upper class. Rex and Angela are not.

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The bribing offer afterwards by Geoffrey and the scene where Raymond (had to IMDB) had the face to face with Roper in Monaco was just to make it clear they are both on his payroll?
It was to show a relationship exists between them and Roper. IIRC, it wasn't Roper who set the venue.
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05-10-2016 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DoTheMath
During the series you will hear references to "the River House" This is how the show refers to Vauxhall Cross, the HQ of the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.
Bit of a visual aid for the Americans:



You may remember it from a ridiculous scene in a Bond film.
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05-26-2016 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by WoodsGOAT
I thought the ending was full of the usual movie clichés.
Have to agree with this. Seemed completely out of character when Roeper made racial remarks to the high-up he was doing the deal with, which ended up being his downfall.
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05-26-2016 , 07:26 AM
The ending was a little weak and there was nothing particularly amazing about the miniseries, but on the whole I thought it was fine casual entertainment. Angela was cast well and I found her character very believable.
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05-26-2016 , 07:40 AM
Olivia Colman could have played any character in the series and would have been well cast and very believable.
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05-26-2016 , 12:04 PM
just finished it.

cliffnotes:

Spoiler:
it was awful
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07-15-2016 , 09:54 AM
Yay...12 Emmy nominations. Not bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...uther-sherlock
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12-25-2017 , 10:53 AM
Late to the party but just finished this.

A+ entertainment in my opinion, great watch for people wanting a good show about spies. Laurie & Colman killed it.

The script needed more work, some important things felt rushed and the ending could've been way better.

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The way our hero falls in love with both women just didn't feel realistic at all. Also our hero gaining the trust of Laurie felt rushed. The ending was fine imo until the final meeting with the buyers, everything kind of became cheesy after that. I think an ending where Harewood (American dude) was able to raise the power of the USA military one final time to arrest Laurie would've worked better. Egyptian dudes showing up themselves at the hotel felt a bit ridiculous.



Appartantly they're in talks for S02. Would be totally unnecessary, I hope they realize that.
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12-25-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Appartantly they're in talks for S02. Would be totally unnecessary, I hope they realize that.
They have been talking about that for over a year. Looks like they recently found a writer: http://deadline.com/2017/11/matthew-...er-1202216478/
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