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06-04-2012, 06:20 PM
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Freak you Bobo Fett
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by Sedeete
Jessa was, for once, not that annoying. Although her looks at the guy at the bar, when she was so obviously bored, made me want to punch her in the face.
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I wasn't sure, but I thought maybe her reaction there was her defense mechanisms being up so to speak, after what had happened with the dad (where he called her a tease, and said they were never friends) the episode before. Initially when the bartender brought them drinks, she perked up and was smiling when she thought it was the old guy (who's more likely to seem harmless). As soon as she saw that it was the younger guy, she got that annoyed look on her face, and wanted no part of it.
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06-04-2012, 07:11 PM
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#362
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adept
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Re: Girls on HBO
My response to this show seems to be almost directly opposite what I've read here so far. I found the episodes to be decreasingly realistic and enjoyable as the short season went on. (I liked the first few episodes.)
Adam and Hannah suddenly getting together feels so false and forced to me. It comes off as Lena Dunham writing a boyfriend for herself. That is, of course, her right as the creator and writer of the show, but the quality suffers (in my opinion) when the plots stray too far from the "real world" outcomes and begin to instead resemble the author's fantasy. I appreciate that the character Hannah does live in her own head, but when everything around her falls so easily into place (She gets a job, magically! She gets the boy-- who hasn't shown real interest in her thus far, who is far more attractive than she, who has other, presumably better options-- magically!) the show loses what I consider to be its strength. The comedy exists where the world falls short of Hannah/Lena Dunham's idealized whimsy, and I think they're going to lose that if it continues looking like some bubbly, unfocused fairytale.
I also love Jessa though, so I think this may just be a fundamental difference of taste based on point of view
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06-04-2012, 08:29 PM
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#363
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Melbourne
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by jmill
I wasn't sure, but I thought maybe her reaction there was her defense mechanisms being up so to speak, after what had happened with the dad (where he called her a tease, and said they were never friends) the episode before. Initially when the bartender brought them drinks, she perked up and was smiling when she thought it was the old guy (who's more likely to seem harmless). As soon as she saw that it was the younger guy, she got that annoyed look on her face, and wanted no part of it.
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It was more to do with the guy being a massive bore imo.
I'm surprised people loved this episode in particular. I don't think it was doing anything special the others haven't been, and I thought the stuff with Jessa and Marnie in the weirdo/'s appartment was really weak by the show's standards.
I suspect the people slowly coming around to the show who describe it as a slow starter will think differently if they re-watch the early episodes.
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06-04-2012, 08:51 PM
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#364
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Freak you Bobo Fett
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by Michaelson
It was more to do with the guy being a massive bore imo.
I'm surprised people loved this episode in particular. I don't think it was doing anything special the others haven't been, and I thought the stuff with Jessa and Marnie in the weirdo/'s appartment was really weak by the show's standards.
I suspect the people slowly coming around to the show who describe it as a slow starter will think differently if they re-watch the early episodes.
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Oh, I'm talking about like 1 second after she saw him across the bar, before they had even been introduced. If you get a chance to see that scene again watch how fast she goes from smiling to looking annoyed, in like the span of 2 seconds, when she realizes it's some younger guy who bought them drinks, as opposed to the old dude who gets up and walks away. I could still obviously be wrong though.
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06-04-2012, 09:00 PM
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#365
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by jmill
Oh, I'm talking about like 1 second after she saw him across the bar, before they had even been introduced. If you get a chance to see that scene again watch how fast she goes from smiling to looking annoyed, in like the span of 2 seconds, when she realizes it's some younger guy who bought them drinks, as opposed to the old dude who gets up and walks away. I could still obviously be wrong though.
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that's how i interpreted the scene also
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06-05-2012, 12:21 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Melbourne
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Re: Girls on HBO
Honestly, I just assumed she had a good radar for the sorts of guys who make mashups out of Len and recordings of children playing in a field. Though I guess she did have that moment with the dad at the end of the last episode where she said to herself "I've got to stop doing this."
Cheetah doesn't really change her spots though.
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06-05-2012, 05:41 AM
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Here's some straight talk
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Girls on HBO
The old guy had long hair/glasses (artsy sorta look), and that is more Jessa's type, imo.
As soon as she saw it was the bearded younger guy Jessa became disinterested, I concur.
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06-05-2012, 08:48 AM
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DKGOAT
Join Date: May 2006
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Re: Girls on HBO
i watched about ten minutes of one episode and this is not very interesting
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06-05-2012, 08:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Girls on HBO
I don't really think there's another way to interpret that scene given how it was composed and shot.
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I suspect the people slowly coming around to the show who describe it as a slow starter will think differently if they re-watch the early episodes.
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No way. I mean I'm not one of those people, but the last few eps have made nearly every character a bit more likable and human, which has been one of the biggest issues with the early stuff. It wasn't bad before, but it's much better now.
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06-05-2012, 09:20 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
i watched about ten minutes of one episode and this is not very interesting
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no characters on the show are 'minorities', it should be right up your alley
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06-05-2012, 09:31 AM
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DKGOAT
Join Date: May 2006
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Re: Girls on HBO
yeah but they are all women
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06-05-2012, 10:41 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by Dids
No way. I mean I'm not one of those people, but the last few eps have made nearly every character a bit more likable and human, which has been one of the biggest issues with the early stuff. It wasn't bad before, but it's much better now.
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Two points: first, this was absolutely a conscious decision in the way the show was written. Girls invites you to make snap judgments about the characters, and then subverts them. I remember talking to someone after the third episode about why I thought Girls could end up something special and citing that exact point as my primary reason. The artifice for what makes this show work has been there since episode 1 as far as I'm concerned.
Second, I've found Marnie less and less likable as the show's gone on, and last night's ep was no different. I'm surprised one or two people mentioned (and you seem to allude to this) that they had a better idea of where she was coming from. She made a comment about how it sucks to be the uptight one, but she also bonded with Jessa over petty grievances with Hannah and took this condescending attitude about how she feels sorry for her. And there was the whole banging the door to interrupt Hannah's **** session thing. And last ep was even worse, with her completely narcissistic behaviour at the party.
Jessa, also, seems like someone I would not want anything to do with and I don't feel like they've fleshed her out either. She just tears through people's lives with no concern for anything other than her own amusement in the moment. Which is actually fine, because I know those people, and she gets by on charisma and being fun company, but I don't feel like they've bothered to look into what makes her tick really.
And both of those are reasons why, for me, the show hasn't quite lived up to it's initial promise. Though obviously I'm still a big fan and think it's more interesting than 99% of television out there.
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06-05-2012, 12:34 PM
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Modding All Day
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: Girls on HBO
I think in a lot of ways the Chris O'Dowd monologue is a microcosm of the show. This guy is absolutely melting down, over an albeit trivial issue, but this is all very serious to him and our leads find his rant to be progressively funnier the more out of control it gets. It becomes a funny story to tell for Jessa and Marnie, but it's close to this guy hitting rock bottom and they are unaware of it or don't care because he's a creep.
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06-05-2012, 01:06 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Girls on HBO
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
I think in a lot of ways the Chris O'Dowd monologue is a microcosm of the show. This guy is absolutely melting down, over an albeit trivial issue, but this is all very serious to him and our leads find his rant to be progressively funnier the more out of control it gets. It becomes a funny story to tell for Jessa and Marnie, but it's close to this guy hitting rock bottom and they are unaware of it or don't care because he's a creep.
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i definitely felt, while watching and thinking about it after, that dunham probably wrote and views that monologue as pudge describes
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06-05-2012, 03:33 PM
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#375
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Most Definitely
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: Girls on HBO
Jessa was a huge bitch and a drip the whole night. Although it turned out she was right that O'Dowd was a douchebag, at first she was being a horrible wingman for Marnie. She should have just left and let Marnie hang out with the guy because she wanted to. Why sit there and be rude and a dick to O'Dowd? Luckily he flipped out like a prick and Jessa was redeemed, but still...
This is what I wanted to do to Jessa all episode:
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