Seeing people rank S2 below S1 itt, I thought Sangmin wasn't going to win... so this was a wonderful surprise. He was shaky in some of the games earlier and in S1, but after Episode 4 or so it was complete domination. Really fun season with a great cast.

I thought it was obvious (or at least extremely likely) that Sangmin had two exact numbers, so I was watching him in the background during the other rolls, and he really sold the enthusiasm during the other meaningless rolls. By that, I mean he knew he'd won, yet he didn't let on at all. The TV IQ to not spoil the big reveal, then make the dramatic, grandiose "I only need one marker!" statement is what makes Sangmin so elite. He's having fun with the game, yet he knows it's important that it be enjoyable for TV viewers, too. That's probably the thing I appreciate the most about him: he's a true showman.

Jinho leaving is the best possible result. With the tiebreaker set up that way, it's an interesting decision for him on what he folds vs. a first hand jam. He likely has a huge advantage over Jiwon, but with only 15 chips, he can't ever fold vs. a 2. I think he does have to fold vs. a 3, though, and definitely vs. a 4.

Bolded the relevant part. S2 was ranked lower for the same reason Redemption Island and One World are ranked lower than other Survivor seasons. It's nothing against Sangmin, just who he was playing against.

After the first ep I was between Jinho and the daughter. And this didn't really have anything to do with any clues - I just excluded the others based on "reads". Henry's asinine theories meant imo that he was never the killer. The loud guy's loudness and aggressiveness made me not suspect him. The nurse's reactions to being called "the devil" seemed like an innocent finding the strong suspicion incredible and mindboggling rather than a guilty person being annoyed or trying to downplay it or whatever. Also, in episode 2 it was really clear she wasn't the murderer given her doubts about the uncle which seemed really genuine to me. I can't remember why I ruled out the mom, but it was something she said during the briefing stage.

Throughout second ep I became really sure that it was the daughter, partly because of the medical book and because it felt like it was one of the adjoining rooms and I had already ruled out the uncle. But also just partly because I'd eliminated Jinho too by this point due to how he wanted to work together with the mom - seemed believable to me.

It seems lame writing that I got it right after the fact, so from now on I'll post my theories itt as I watch the ep (and you're just gonna have to trust me :P)

It's gonna be interesting to see this format develop over the next few mysteries. If they get better at the solving I could see it becoming too easy to find the murderer. If they'd found the raincoat for this first mystery it would've been pretty lol, but without that hint I think it was a fair match (the good guys obv need what we in werewolf would call "peeks" such as the mom being ruled out by CCTV footage).

This

Plus Quattro in the final, that was just lolterrible

Didn't want to see Yoohyun leave just yet but as long as Hyunmin and Dongmin remain intact I'm happy. Rooting for Hyunmin to take it down but I think the best ending for TV is Dongmin shipping and the lady dealer finally acknowledging him.

I thought that surely having Jinho and Sangmin back for the week would be the highlight of the episode but that Death Match ending was one of the highlights of the entire series for me.

I don't even care which of these two wins. Probably the GOAT alliance, Chilltown included.

Also, lol'd hard at this as the old players reentered

Still can't believe Dongmin in the S3E10 death match.

Dongmin and Hyunmin definitely my two favorite characters of all the seasons, followed closely by Jinho, Yohwan aka SlayerS Boxer, and Sunggyu. Dongmin for GOAT.

What are people thoughts about the change in rules to garnets? I actually prefer S01 and S02's system of claiming the eliminated contestants garnets. In S03 there are a lot less opportunities to use them throughout the main game, and they just "loan" them to people pre-death match anyway. Maybe something like win 50% of your opponent's garnets could be best.

Dongmin might be the most entertaining character out of all 3 seasons. He's great to watch. Surprised it took this long to get a solid multi-episode alliance (barring Jinho's alliance pairs of 2 episodes).

Indian Poker > Indian Hold'em > whatever they call the poker variant in S03

Sangmin not even top 5? Dongmin and Hyunmin were both fantastic but I felt like Sangmin was on a different level.

1. Sangmin

[decent sized gap]

2. Dongmin
3. Hyunmin

[huge gap]

4. Jinho

[huge gap]

5. Sunggyu

agree with top 4, though I wouldn't say huge gap down to Jinho (he wasn't bad socially at all and could get ppl on his side, it's just that Sangmin was SO unbelievably good in this regard)

I like Sunggyu a lot and think he is underestimated, but still... In a non-Sangmin season I think Yoohyun is better and prolly one or two others (as in I'd bet on them over Sunggyu to ship it)

cstone, what is ur all star line up from first 3 seasons? Had to follow the usual ratio of gender. Will think on mine when I get home.

I mean, my list was just a list of personal favorites, but yeah, I wasn't really a Sangmin fan. If I were to include him in a top 5 list, I'd still place Dongmin & Hyunmin (I feel both would be favored over Sangmin in any game... aside from Dongmin in Monorail), and Jinho (who demonstrated he was better with S1's results). I'll give him credit though, Sangmin was definitely good at getting people on his side.

Season 1 had 5 females and Season 2 and 3 had 4, so I'll go with 4 females. This isn't my list of the 13 best people, but merely the people I think would make for the greatest season. In no particular order:

Sangmin
Dongmin
Hyunmin
Jinho
Yohwan
Yoohyun
Sunggyu
Hongchul
Junghyun
Kyungran
Yuram
Yooyoung
Ahyoung

I was close to picking Gura or Jimmy Cha. But I think having Gura in there with certain other people would mess up the dynamic too much in an ungood way. Jimmy Cha would be good, but ultimately I went with Junghyun for the "older man" spot because 1) he was 3rd, so my season would have all top 3 finishers, 2) he seems fluid wrt who he can ally with which is good for the game and 3) there's something to be said for the fact that he and Jinho are the only people to survive 3 deathmatches (if I'm not mistaken).

Hongchul and Ahyoung in particular are picked based on their personalities / entertainment value. Yooyoung picked based on hotness / being last female standing in her season. Lawyer lady and Park Eunji are both better players than Ahyoung and Yooyoung, but meh.

I'd probably prefer either of Gura or Cha to Junghyun since I think they're both substantially more willing/able to shake the games up and I'd lean Eunji over Yooyoung but I don't think that's a huge difference maker either way. Would strongly cosign everyone else you listed.

After the ID controversy from his boot episode, producers may feel like Doohee deserves another shot and I wouldn't take issue with including him instead of Yoohyun or Yohwan. If they get Sangmin, Dongmin, Hyunmin, Jinho, and Hongchul there's really no way to go wrong with the rest.

Alright, Jimmy Cha instead!

Yooyoung still in though because otherwise we have no female rep from season 2.

I think you're right that Doohee would have to get another shot. In that case I guess Yoohyun has to go which is a shame, but oh well. Having Yohwan in is better because of his rivalry with Jinho and his utter uselessness in main matches and his often chaotic and erratic behavior which I personally found entertaining.

Lock that in and let's send it to the producers :P

Fantastic season, great storyline.

Still take Jinho as best player. He shipped S01, whilst looking untouchable in death matches. Was only eliminated in S02 due a cooler in Indian Hold'em that resulted in a game of high card. Won the revenge game in S02 and S03. He cleaned up from the show.