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01-31-2015 , 06:59 PM
Thoughts on the final match in S1E12

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Obviously happy that Jin-Ho ends up winning the whole thing but I think the implementation of the advantages in the 3 games was bad. Instead of having the eliminated players pick random advantages for Jin-Ho and Kyung-Ran it would have been better if the players themselves can make the decision to use the garnets to buy advantages for certain games. It makes it more tactical about how the garnets are used and also makes gaining more garnets through the game more meaningful. I felt sorry for Kyung-Ran in the Gyul Hap game, she definitely would have won that had it been a game with no outside help but i think Jin-Ho still would have won the Same Picture Hunt so I don't think it changed the overall result.
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01-31-2015 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
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IN your scenario only one ends up safe. With the other 3 being at risk. There may be a scenario where they all end up safe I am not going to put in th work. You came in here criticizing their strategy but havent presented one concrete reason, other than simplicity, as to why your strategy works. You didnt even full understand the end game of your own strategy(seeing as how I had to explain it almost always ends up with one being sacrificed). Also it is transparent and will cause garnet bribes to happen all over the place.

Having majority allows them to do a lot of things.

If they can work with sungyu they can send him over, so its SSX. They will sit with him and lose points, they can then send over a B, and be a majority in both, with draining happening only on them. Allowing them to make more, and maybe setting up a multi-win for safety as well as making one of them the elimination candidate. They dont even need to send sungyu over in the 10th round, just send over someone in the 9th from B, thats majority in the small with B and Sungyu, and then they can just both send the B back allowing them to have two S at the end over in small with sungyu.

Ther are so many more posibilities with majority in both, and I wouldnt be surpirsed its is possible to end the game with all 4 having the same amount of garnets(if they can secure sungyu once they know send him over right away to drain). And trust me, you underestimated the complexity of the game when you came in here. I can also guarantee just sending back the person last in exile is far from optimal, and if we are not here to argue optimal then whats the point?

You seem to think the breakdown came in going for the majority on both, but the breakdown came from, maybe, who they sent to small to get majority(aka who they kept with sungyu) and not soldifying sungyu.
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Sanggyu is never going to want to go back and forth between towns, then he doesn't get to steal any gold. He wants to just sit in the big town all game and collect as much gold as possible, and win the game. (which is what happened, cuz duh).

Also, there isn't even a need to solidy Sanggyu as long as you stay 3 people strong in the big town. DUCY? Just don't start shipping all your people to the small town and then get overthrown, which is what happened.

Anyway, I'm done discussing it, as your posts are starting to make less and less sense to me. If someone else ITT understands what the almighty C_Custer in all his wisdom is trying to advocate to little old me, please do share.
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01-31-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VTChess
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Sanggyu is never going to want to go back and forth between towns, then he doesn't get to steal any gold. He wants to just sit in the big town all game and collect as much gold as possible, and win the game. (which is what happened, cuz duh).

Also, there isn't even a need to solidy Sanggyu as long as you stay 3 people strong in the big town. DUCY? Just don't start shipping all your people to the small town and then get overthrown, which is what happened.

Anyway, I'm done discussing it, as your posts are starting to make less and less sense to me. If someone else ITT understands what the almighty C_Custer in all his wisdom is trying to advocate to little old me, please do share.
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Your 3 person strong is still so lulzy, because in the end its going ot result in Big town having two S's, both with 10, being joint winners with sungyu, small town having poong and an S with 10, meaning the 3 joint winners(with majority small) decide who goes in from the remaining(spoiler it will be poong from big). Where Poong can choose from 3 Big town and 1 small town resident for death match(3 people who sacrificed him mind you).

So in your opinion, optimal strategy for Big town is to have two(one being from this 'strong' 3) of them go into a death match. nice

Flawless game theory.

You come in here discussing strategy, never explain why your strategy works, back track when confronted with unfortunate end results of your strategy and then post in a condescending way. Well done. You also state I am over thinking, which is lulzy seeing as this is literally a game show about game theory. I am discussing game theory and you are just being results oriented because Gura lost.

At the end of the day it is all moot, the obvious strategy is to not try to stick to the division set up randomly in the beginning. I alos imagine there is a way for poong to work with the three small town residents and sangyu, after round 4, to set up a joint win for all of them.

Last edited by CCuster_911; 01-31-2015 at 07:31 PM.
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01-31-2015 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scratchy1
What's also interesting, at least for the ones I've watched, is none of the games require much effort to recreate so you could throw a Genius game night if you wanted.
That's what makes show stand out from Big Brother or Survivor when doing a POG version, very little about the games need to be changed at all.
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01-31-2015 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
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Your 3 person strong is still so lulzy, because in the end its going ot result in Big town having two S's, both with 10, being joint winners with sungyu, small town having poong and an S with 10, meaning the 3 joint winners(with majority small) decide who goes in from the remaining(spoiler it will be poong from big). Where Poong can choose from 3 Big town and 1 small town resident for death match(3 people who sacrificed him mind you).

So in your opinion, optimal strategy for Big town is to have two(one being from this 'strong' 3) of them go into a death match. nice

Flawless game theory.

You come in here discussing strategy, never explain why your strategy works, back track when confronted with unfortunate end results of your strategy and then post in a condescending way. Well done. You also state I am over thinking, which is lulzy seeing as this is literally a game show about game theory. I am discussing game theory and you are just being results oriented because Gura lost.

At the end of the day it is all moot, the obvious strategy is to not try to stick to the division set up randomly in the beginning. I alos imagine there is a way for poong to work with the three small town residents and sangyu, after round 4, to set up a joint win for all of them.
I'm the one who is posting in a condescending way? You are a clown. I should have learned from the Survivor thread. I'd also love to hear your views again on pedophilia sometime, they were quite educational.
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01-31-2015 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nonecks1
That's what makes show stand out from Big Brother or Survivor when doing a POG version, very little about the games need to be changed at all.
I do worry though about some of the games being VERY turn-based. As in that they need to be played real time because there's a whole lot of making new moves after having gotten some information from a turn. So they'd be good for real life play with your friends, but some of them are maybe not totally suited for POG unless you can get people on Skype for some of the games.
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01-31-2015 , 08:25 PM
Yea I had skype in mind when I posted that but I didn't factor in that not everyone would want to use voice chat or have it available to play and just use text chat.

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01-31-2015 , 09:54 PM
Season 3, Episode 6

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I'm really happy that all my 3 faves are still in it. Huymin is a ****ING boss and he exceeds both Jinho and Sangmin imo from what we've seen so far. I'm really happy that he teamed up with Dongmin who I sort of perceive as the villain that I'd like him to against in the finals just like they talked about at the beginning of the episode. Yoohyun (the poker player) is also excellent though.

Ahyoung is very sweet in a pathetic way and my preferred top 4 would be the 3 guys mentioned above + her :P

Btw didn't they say/write in Ep 1 that Huymin won a Genius game played at KAIST? Maybe I got that wrong.

I'm liking this better than season 2. Excited to see if it will also be better than season 1.
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01-31-2015 , 11:33 PM
Season 3, Episode 7

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Pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!

Hot damn, I was sweating that deathmatch. And the black mission too.

My heart broke when I saw the numbers for that very first round and when they were about to reveal the second one I was pretty sure what was going on. Just like Huymin who instantly saw it.

It's easy to understand why the alliances are so fluid in this game. You can watch previous broadcasts while you're still in the game and so you can't just be super obvious about it like Huymin and Dongmin because then you have no alliance equity for future main matches. But I'm hoping and thinking that they can turn it around for the next episode given that I think Yoohjun is the only one with a strong and clear mind to oppose them.

Also, I must say that the Korean mentality or whatever you should call it is very refreshing. How they are gracious in defeat and very genuinely complimenting of their fellow players. It makes for an enjoyable game.
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02-01-2015 , 12:03 AM
some more s1e6 but

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binking the 1/4 chance that sungyu was the burglar was really lucky and cant be optimal. surely you're supposed to send 2/4 of the people from the big town to narrow it down to 50/50 for the next set of two turns, and then you can isolate from there
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02-01-2015 , 01:28 AM
Those of you who have seen 2 or 3 seasons, how would you rank them?
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02-01-2015 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VTChess
Finished S1E7.

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JinHo is a total boss. Absolutely love his attention to detail.

Also, lol @ the crying call in Indian Poker by Poong early in the match to a gigantic all-in when Eunji was showing a 7. Seems really bad. He could have picked her apart easily playing small ball. She clearly was playing pretty ABC.
Direct reply to the above (i.e. nothing beyond S01E07):

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I thought Poong was somewhat intelligent, but calling off the most obvious "stupid person confidence" mega-overbet jam in that spot when she's showing anything but a 1 has to be the single stupidest thing done in any of the first seven episodes. I don't even get what his rational was for calling. Did he assume she was trying to get him to fold a 10?! Park is clearly not thinking on that level. When she jams from 2 chips to 40+ in that spot, he has to know he has a 1 literally 99% of the time or more (and the rest of the time, it's probably a 2 ~0.99% and a 10 when she spaz-bluffs without realizing why she's even doing it). To use the obvious poker analogy, Park's line is the textbook play for every zero-level thinker at a casino who wakes up with aces. And as if it wasn't obvious enough already, her table chatter made it the lock of the century that Poong had a 1. Awful.

Sangmin is the best player, and he's playing the best game as well...but Sunggyu seems absurdly underrated by everyone there. His spot kinda reminds me of Aras 1.0: his closest ally is the best player in the game, but everyone else has more incentive to get rid of Cirie/Sangmin before they get rid of Aras/Sunggyu. They also have more incentive to get rid of the opposing top dog in Terry/Jinho, and the remaining players are mostly pawns. It's tough to analyze Sunggyu's chances without knowing how the late-game structure will work, but I think he'd be a strong value bet right now.

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02-01-2015 , 07:43 AM
S2E6

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Sang-Min the ultimate troll
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02-01-2015 , 09:10 AM
Kind sucks that we are all in different spots and thus have to mass spoiler everything, but oh well.

Character discussion with knowledge up to S02E08:

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Jinho >> Sangmin all day. I feel Jinho is much stronger in the actual games and is 100x better in the death matches. He is actually pretty trust worthy, not really betraying anyone either, just not too many have given him a chance because he is so strong. I just think he's just a target due to natural talent in S1, and for obvious reasons in S2.

Sangmin is better at the underhanded stuff, and instigating attention on others (i.e. playing up the Jinho/Poong and Jinho/Doohee/Yohwan pairs). He is playing much better in S2 then he did in S1 though.
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02-01-2015 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nonecks1
S2E6

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Sang-Min the ultimate troll
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How great was that! First Doohee, then Sangmin. Edge of my seat stuff. Only thing to make it better would've been if it was personally created as opposed to producer supplied.
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02-01-2015 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JackTrumper
Kind sucks that we are all in different spots and thus have to mass spoiler everything, but oh well.

Character discussion with knowledge up to S02E08:

Spoiler:
Jinho >> Sangmin all day. I feel Jinho is much stronger in the actual games and is 100x better in the death matches. He is actually pretty trust worthy, not really betraying anyone either, just not too many have given him a chance because he is so strong. I just think he's just a target due to natural talent in S1, and for obvious reasons in S2.

Sangmin is better at the underhanded stuff, and instigating attention on others (i.e. playing up the Jinho/Poong and Jinho/Doohee/Yohwan pairs). He is playing much better in S2 then he did in S1 though.
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I'm with you on everything, I honestly found Sang-Min more of a comedic figure in the first season but he's definitely stepped it up and is playing hard in the second season, got to give him props for that.
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02-01-2015 , 11:27 AM
Season 3, halfway through episode 9

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While I still think Huynmin is a boss I'd like to for now revise my earlier statement and say that Sangmin is still the best player. Huynmin is the best at understanding and playing the actual games imo out of all seasons, but Sangmin was better socially which ultimately matters more in a game where that alone can keep you from having to play deathmatches ofc.

Huynmin is of course not AT ALL bad socially and he displayed a lot of capability in this regard in the first 6 eps imo which is why I regarded him so highly, but he falls to the second spot for now 1) just because of the fact that he had to go to a deathmatch already and 2) because he does seem too nice and willing to give up at least some amount of equity because of this, e.g. offering black garnets to Ahnyoung and the other chick (which is why his alliance with Dongmin is good because they balance each other out well).
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02-01-2015 , 11:44 AM
Finished Season 2

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It seems it doesn't matter if it is Survivor, Big Brother or The Genius: Returning players always crush newbies. This cast made a major mistake not to stick together asap and flush Sangmin's immortality although he went on that sick run so I don't know how much of difference it made. Have to say it was eerily like Boston Rob in RI, once it got to certain point, you just felt it was basically over, but again lol newbies. I'm sure the discussions will begin as to who is the better player Jinho or Sangmin (it's certainly in Will or Dan territory). Also can confidently predict once K.O.S gets around to S2, he'll definitely be Sangmin>Jinho

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02-01-2015 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VTChess
Those of you who have seen 2 or 3 seasons, how would you rank them?
Spoilering this in case someone would rather not know for some reason (spoiler contains just my own personal ranking and nothing else):

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Season 1 > Season 3 > Season 2

With the caveat that I'm not yet done with season 3.
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02-01-2015 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VTChess
Those of you who have seen 2 or 3 seasons, how would you rank them?
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Season 1 > Season 2
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02-01-2015 , 02:22 PM
Season 3, Episode 10

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Woooooow
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02-01-2015 , 05:33 PM
Finished season 3

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Sigh. Super anticlimactic ending. It all came down to a flip. Betting RPS really is a horrible game and I'm surprised they didn't realize that after having already used it 2 times during the season.

I'm really annoyed right now.
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02-01-2015 , 07:19 PM
It's very depressing having watched all of this
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02-01-2015 , 09:06 PM
Damn you guys for introducing me to this madness. Just binge watched season 1 over the weekend.

Thoughts till S2E2:

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Jinho's a boss. Reminds me of so many online poker players, great at game strat and his only weakness is his social game. He was also a bit nervous at indian poker.

His attention to little details like reversing the signs in the same deck in the one where you had to make an expression, changing the order to make 5 in the current episode, figuring out a decent strat real time in huap gyul, and initiating new conversations by volunteering info in 1e11. All of these are little things that everyone else seems to miss.

Sangmin's social game is amazing, though he's been lackluster this season so far, maybe he's biding his time.

Gura in season 1 was awesome too in parts, made it very entertaining.

This season no one's stood out so far. Blind date guy who won tonight's death match seems really annoying, hope he goes.

In an elimination where you get to double garnets by side betting, banding together and sacrificing someone seems easily the best strat especially this early.

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02-02-2015 , 12:22 PM
I've been desperately trying to get my The Genius fix now that I've seen all 3 seasons.

One interesting thing I stumbled upon was that the show has been accused of being a plagiary of a Korean drama series "Liar Game" (adapted from a manga of the same name).

The plot:
"Nam Da-jung is an innocent college student who passes a hidden camera audition and is invited to join the reality show Liar Game, a psychological survival game wherein participants trick each other and the one who ultimately succeeds wins the prize money of ₩10 billion (US$9.3 million)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_Game_(2007_TV_series) (there's also a second season of this, but this English wiki page is outdated)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_Ga...4_TV_series%29 (a 2014 season - seems like it's a reboot or a third season with new characters)

There are English subs for all 3 seasons, so I'm gonna check it out.
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