Kirby the cutting is far more likely to occur with game of thrones. With zombies 90210 I had a good idea that the show was going to be outrageously bad going in so after The few minutes I was forced to watch I just nodded, said "that's about right" and informed my friend that we have different tastes in shows.

Game of thrones is taking something I've loved for the better part of a decade and Turning it into a cheap sitcom. More importantly, the show has the potential to significantly hurt my enjoyment of the books which I've been a huge fan of and invested tons of time in.

Depression is coming.

from all indications winds of winter will still be a banger i think (hug) (halo)

i mean book 4 and 5 arent that good so..

This.

It's like you guys live in this dichotomy in which everyone is a show only drooler or they don't enjoy the show because "the books would've done that better."

The books are source material. They're awesome source material. The show is awesome. These are not mutually exclusive, even when the show drastically departs from the books.

I've been thinking about how they could have written Sansa bringing in the Vale forces better and how much stronger would it have been if she had ridden out the previous episode and came in with their forces instead of nagging Jon.

But let's not turn this into a "show is great" / "show is blasphemous" thread.

So as a token of peace, I give you this fun bit of trivia

Yeah I've said several times that I still have faith the last season will be good.

One good thing is the lack of time. Grrm says he needs two king kong sized tomes in order to complete his story while d and d say they need 13 episodes. So hopefully they've realized that they can't write for ****, looked at grrms outline and will just be using that plot for the remaining episodes.

4 and 5 were a drop in quality, and I expected season 5 to be a huge drop in quality from the rest of the show as well, but this...

most of the season is mediocre but still two of the best ... almost top 5 episodes came from it so cant be that bad.

Still got 69 mins finale too

After this episode I said it doesn't make my top 5, probably not top 10. Now I'm down to top 15.

The door was a great scene, but here's a fun question you could offer up to all of those people saying it's one of the goat episodes: what else happened in that episode?

think there was the first really good arya theater scene

and the whole bran/north thing was like 30 minutes out of 55 or something, cant really be much more else.

and all of that second half was great imo

I am worried that the show will end shortly after a final battle with the White Walkers while the books will include the aftermath and postwar politics, so we'll get the equivalent of making The Lord of the Rings without including the Scouring of the Shire.

Give me a break

Nobody really seems to be entertaining the idea that the battle played out exactly as Sansa wanted it to and she sees Jon as a rival, rather than an ally.

I guess the show has just level 0d the **** out of everything so much that it's not even worth thinking about it.

Team Gobbo here.

The episode was amazingly done. The fight scenes were epic. The dragons were bad ass.

The Meereen timing, and the plot points of the whole Vale riding to the rescue thing was meh. These armies don't seem to do well in the scouting department. Would be kinda nice to know if 500 horsemen, a 5K+ army, or 50K dothraki are within a days ride.

lol also at Ramsey the archer. 200 yard shot - no problem. No one (even with today's equipment) could make that shot. For example. Not even accounting for wind. Would have been more realistic if a single volley of arrows from all the archers turned Rickon into a pincushion.

Sansa definitely has some explaining to do with for not mentioning the Vale coming. It's a pretty shocking heel turn for her to deliberately risk everyone's life to keep that secret. There was a plan to be made using the Vale riders as a strategic, undiscovered force.

Wouldn't have minded seeing a direwolf take a run at the back of a phalanx or even at Ramsey's group once all the armies are engaged. Biggest pet peeve of the show is lack of direwolves.

I could see her sacrificing wildlings but not Jon and other Northerners. That's a heel turn of epic proportions. She has to rule these people after the war.

Your brain is just too powerful to prevent itself from nitpicking to death a fantasy TV show with a million characters adapted from 1k page long books, and you still have the fortitude to suffer through every episode? How do you bear such a burden? Your an inspiration.

The type of nitpicking post I can get behind with this ep is one that starts off with this. Good post, and I agree wholeheartedly on the lack of direwolves being really disappointing, they have been a large part of the show since S1 EP1, not having ghost anywhere in sight during Jons perils in this ep doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not at least bring him to the parlay with Ramsey?

I don't really see the need for the direwolves. It might have been fun if Shaggydog had been brought alive to Ramsey and he tortured the animal in front of Rickon over several episodes.

I kindv hope the last season is totally different from how grrm is going to end things.
would be cool to get alternate endings.

Stark 101 suggests that when Sansa says "I don't know anything about battles" she's telling the truth and her plan was just dumb. This was pointed out ITT: Starks are constantly doing dumb stuff and it often bites them in the ass. It's the same in the books.

I can't think of one instance of a Stark developing a complicated, higher-level strategy ala a Tname Lannister or Littlefinger or Varys.

This is minor nitpick, but it really annoys me when archers shoot in volleys. First volley, sure. But after that? There really is no reason to do that, rate of fire and accuracy is much higher if you just let the archers to shoot at their own discretion.

From the Iron Throne they will be just one of her seven kingdoms. It's meh....

Sansa has learned from Cat, Cersei, Tyrion, Joff, Littlefinger and Ramsay. She is possibly the most well-taught person in the world at her age for how to rule.

Sansa isn't Jon or Robb.

Fwiw I was a Sansa not being a Stark conspiracy theorist for the books.

Sweet irony



This is the best case scenario, and to some extent it's bound to happen due to how simplified the show is compared to the books, but I imagine the absolute final outcome will be very similar to the books though.

That sounds pretty out there but I'll bite. Who are her parents?