Watching them eat Thoros would have been the best thing this season.

Yeah, nice vid!

Ep 6's director on teleportation:

lol at the idea that it needs to be "scrutinized thoroughly" to figure out that you can't cover like 4000 miles in the blink of an eye.

The title of the next episode is "The Dragon and the Wolf". I assume this means Jon and Dany are going to get it on, or that we're going to revisit R+L=J, or (more likely) both.

It's clear the showrunners have no idea what they're doing. They are pure Hollywood guys.

I enjoyed that, thanks

The show is so important to people because there were amazing books written about it that your piece of **** writing is currently ruining more and more on a weekly basis you ****ing turd

There was worse elsewhere:

It's called internal consistency, you tosser. Just because a show has dragons in it doesn't mean that suddenly anything goes and it doesn't matter if you establish things and then ignore them.

This goes double for Game of Thrones because it establishes itself as a show that cares about realism and detail, despite the dragons. Bad guys win, good guys die. Characters are shades of gray. Things like geography matter - for instance, Dany's entire plot is based around the fact that she's the wrong side of the Narrow Sea. If I watch a show like (to pull an example off the top of my head) Stargate SG-1, the show establishes itself as a show that is going to be OK with some handwaving at times, so when it does handwave it doesn't bother me.

I don't think most fans have been picking nits that hard this season. We devoted ages to the siege of Riverrun in earlier seasons, then this season we had Casterly Rock and Highgarden, both of which had never even appeared in the show before, be introduced and invaded both all in one episode. The problem with this particular "plausible impossibility", as he put it, is that it's not actually plausible. At all. It's immediately obvious that what's depicted cannot have happened. Nobody needed nerds on the internet to break it down for them. The worst thing, as I saw someone point out on Reddit, is that it was easily avoidable. If it's so easy for Dany to make the trip at a moment's notice, then have her accompany them to Eastwatch for whatever reason, and have Gendry run back to Eastwatch and Dany come to the rescue from there. Very simple.

I didn't even hate the ep, it had its moments, but I'm still annoyed at this **** smugly telling people they're aspies for caring about stuff that the show spent 4 or 5 seasons telling us we should care about.

Were we told in S2 that Dany isn't winning this Game of Thrones? I was browsing the yootoobs today and ran across this:



Starting about 1:00, we see her enter the burned-out throneroom of the Red Keep. She approaches the throne (which is covered in...SNOW) and reach out her hand, almost but not quite touching it. Were they telegraphing the ending here or am I giving these writers far too much credit?

Someone else mentioned this in response to me in the spoiler thread, think it was Chris, first there is that scene, with the snow and the throne. Then there is her going to see Drago and their unborn child in the tent. Which seems like telegraphing that not only is she not going to win she's going to die.

I feel like they have repeatedly telegraphed hard that Dany is not winning

more like she wins but everythings dead and destroyed

It's pretty obvious that Dany does not win I think. GRRM is not telling a story where a Rightful Queen regains her Rightful Place on the throne. Things won't be that simple. I guess I could see her winning if she turns full on dark.

There's Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy to factor in, when first encountered it sounds like she's just saying "he's never returning" poetically, but parts of it are obviously coming true:

In the show the italicized line is omitted. In the show the prophecy also makes no sense, because the plotlines it refers to were cut.

"Sun rises in the east and sets in the west": Quentyn Martell.
"The seas go dry": The grass on the Dothraki Sea is dying off in ADWD
"Mountains blow in the wind like leaves": Could refer either to The Mountain, or to the pyramids of the slave cities

The line about bearing a living child is mysterious, and perhaps Mirri means that Drogo will in some sense be reincarnated as Dany's child. I'm not a huge fan of this interpretation because reincarnation is not a thing in the series so far (resurrection is, but in the same body). Nor do the Dothraki believe in resurrection, so it's not clear Drogo would be very happy about this.

The way I interpret it is that Drogo will return to Dany in the same sense as (imo) we see in the show at the House of the Undying, i.e. they will reunite in the afterlife. Dany herself wonders this in ADWD:

Is Dany a rightful queen though?

This is a good question? If Baratheon won the revolt against the Targareans then I assume the Targareans lost all rights to the throne. But since the Baratheons are all dead (Gendry?) it leaves the throne up for grabs to whomever can claim it like Cersie has. Whomever beats Cersie then has the claim but I would say at this point bloodlines don't mean anything and the victor whoever it is gets the spoils.

why would the targareans killing everyone and claiming the throne make dany the rightful queen more than the lannisters, or whoever else, killing everyone and claiming the throne?

Thing about Dany is, it's a central feature of her character that she believes she is the rightful heir to the throne and is born to rule the Seven Kingdoms. She's going to need an arc that makes storytelling sense. Like, an ending where she goes "oh, Jon, you have a better claim than me to the throne? Yeah cool, you sit it then, I'll be over here riding dragons" is pretty much impossible, because that is a really terrible, anticlimactic arc for her as a character. There are only three ways I can think of for it to go:

1) She actually sits the throne. I think this is really unlikely for a host of reasons. And as I was alluding in posts above, I think it's actually kind of bad and anticlimactic in itself. Girl is raised away from her homeland, dreams of returning there and taking her rightful place as ruler, and in the end she... just does? That doesn't make storytelling sense to me. Someone nakedly pursuing power and the ending just being that they achieve that power isn't how stories work. I could see the ending being that she achieves power but at the cost of her own humanity, but an Evil Queen Dany ending would be very dark and GRRM has said that the ending will be "bittersweet", so that doesn't seem likely.

2) This whole story that she has about herself, that she's born to be Queen, is completely dismantled somehow. This is one reason I think the Lemongate resolution is some chance to be a dismantling of Dany's birth story. I think this is an underdog, however.

3) She dies. I think this is far and away most likely. Her arc would then more or less be a classic tragedy.

"Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear."

Not a whole lot of other queens left at this point to cast Cersei down, and it seems like what Cersei holds dear the most is the throne.

I think Dany has to maneuver Cersei into a corner, Jaime kills Cersei and then what? Dany just doesn't want the throne anymore?

FWIW I'd call just about all of Dany's arc terrible and anticlimatic.

Jon marries Dany then the truth of his heritage is revealed. Then she tries to kill him as he has a better claim but he manages to turn her own dragons against her or something. I am trying to go full D&D here...

I'd kind of been assuming the endings for characters like Jon + Dany will be roughly the same as in the books, but I guess there's no reason that will be true.

I think that wherever they end up is going to be same. It'd be a bit surprising for Dany to take the throne in the show and Jon in the books but I suppose it's possible. I'd personally love it if that happened.

i think this one has already been fullfilled by margaery taking her place as queen, and cersei losing all her children.

That'd be a pretty loose interpretation imo. Lannisters are most concerned about legacy and power, as hammered in by Tywin, and besides Cersei is still queen.... plus she's got that bump in her belly apparently.

I mean she was grieving for Tommen for how long? 3 seconds?

it's been said over and over that cersei cares about her children more than anything else. and cersei was queen for a long time. then younger and more beautiful margaery came along and became queen, and cersei lost all her children.

doesn't seem like a loose interpretation to me

Cersei is currently queen...

She wasn't even queen when Marg was around because Tommen was technically king even if his mom was ruling.

i vaguely remember some scene in the show(and even vaguer memory of the books) where cersie says something about being queen, and margaery tells cersie something like "you're not queen anymore. i am" or maybe it's "i will be". i think it was before she married joffrey.