If they were going to bring back a recognizable character to be used as cannon fodder who will make fans sad when he dies, who would be a better character to use that you wouldn't consider a massive waste of time?

HATED the new ep

People were watching a Spanish guy streaming it on his phone...

They are the White WALKERS mate.

There was a better quality leak from the Nordic countries.

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Looks like Sam stole some books when he left the Citadel, I did not notice on first watch.

sam stole books, a sword, and he rigged an election

Dude sounds like a complete scumbag, no wonder Randyll sent his thug ass to the wall

Anyone know of any good podcasts specifically about the books? maybe some setup where they go through each chapter and discuss extensively? general book chat is also fine though.

From a quick search there are a lot of podcasts available, so would rather trust peoples opinion in here than trawl through them.

So NK uses the dragon to melt the wall I guess? That's why they were taking so long to get to Eastwatch, they were waiting for their enemy to give them the weapon they need to attack.

May have been the worst episode of the series, just complete garbage at this point

Yeah this show is walking dead level stupid now.

Last ep was worse. At least this one had some cool fights

It's really sad to see this thing end like a crappy Marvel movie.... very disappointed in this season.

This final TV stretch is going to be written so poorly that there will be popular college writing courses where students are tasked with unwinding their own merrenneese knot and providing a synopsis for how they would have ended Game of Thrones

The writers and HBO probably thought they would get at least another book for direction. My guess is Weiss and Benioff are probably sick of all the preparation and work for this massive show that they told HBO that they would only do 10-13 more episodes. We are getting this lazy and predicable story because they want to end it as soon as possible.

I'm still enjoying this season though because I know im not going to be getting season 1-4 quality (since they had the 3 best books for reference). We are still getting some quality episodes though. I thought the season 6 finale was a top 3 episode of the series.

hey the ep three eps ago was amazing!

never forget

On the non bookreader thread they're posting about how the wolf on Longclaw opened its eyes as Jon came out of the water.



Not gonna post about it on there because someone will probably whine that I have knowledge of the books or something, but while that doesn't look like an accident to me, my bet is that the relevance to the narrative is going to be zero.

Looks like an accident to me, seems like the color changes as the camera changes focus.

post on reddit says: night king knew what was about to go down. greenseer. he knew the dragons would come, he was prepared with an ice-javelin(s). boom goes the ice-dragon.
sounds legit.
i liked the episode.

Wouldnt it been easier for Dany to fly Jon just to Winterfell. Its so much closer to the Wall than to go on a ship back to Dragonstone. That way they could have showed off their Dragons etc..

oh also: psycho-arya is creepy as fxxx.

But then Jon would tell Arya to stfu and we'd miss out on that great storyline.

Someone on reddit made the good point that the show has no stakes anymore because nothing has any consequences. Blow up the Great Sept of Baelor? No worries, nothing happens and people cheer you in the street. Sign up for training with a death cult and then kill one of their members and walk out on them? They'll give you a smile and a wave. Then this season we've moved on to the traditional "raising of the stakes" attempt in bad TV and film, which involves putting our heroes in impossible spots, like facing 10,000 wights, and then magicking them out of it. I didn't hate the episode, it was what it was, but it's pulpy writing, and that sort of thing builds up over time and when the stakes aren't real, we gradually start caring less and less about what happens.

An example of consequences earlier in the books/show is when Robb marries Jeyne instead of sticking to the Frey marriage and winds up getting wiped out for it. That's almost like subversion of a trope, because in most fantasy and stories generally, going with your heart over what you are expected to do is praised and rewarded. In ASOIAF, quite rightly, it gets you killed.

I checked and GRRM is not writing anything for season 8, so I'd expect more of the same. At least we know that GRRM came up with whatever the third holy **** moment is going to be, but if it's something time-travelley related to Bran I am going to strangle a kitten.

That's been a pretty common complaint from lots of viewers for some time now.

At least a dragon got wrecked.