From the previews it seems like a blatant knockoff of Sherlock (I think I saw a preview where he told someone to leave the room cause he couldn't think, and in BBC Sherlock he said this once).

Is there similar story lines or is the character just based off him? Will watch if its just the later.

Also will watch if there is a Moriarty I will def watch, one of greatest TV bad guys ever.

watched it with my brother, and we both instantly knew he was the killer too.

wait you guys mean you didnt think daniel hardman was just a janitor who got 30 seconds of screen time?

even knowing he did it all episode i thought revealing the other guy set up the girls death was a good addition

I'd buy Gale as a janitor. Hardman would definitely not clean toilets.

fk'n this. My gf & I had the exact same reaction. So annoying.

Meh. In this situation, I wonder if they had explicitly revealed to the audience right away the killer's identity if that would have been better. I mean, we all knew who it was anyway, so why not go that route...

I think the crossover audience for Elemtary and the other show's this particular actor has been on is not huge, so it's probably not a big problem for people that aren't TV nerds like us.

Yeah, still waiting for someone to subvert this trope, ie; create a red herring by casting a recognisable actor in what turns out to be just a cameo and not a suspect:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...NotSoSmallRole

While he probably doesnt generate much crossover audience knowledge to shows like Breaking Bad there must be audience crossover to shows like Suits or Franklin and Bash, maybe even Person of Interest.

Also how does he not have his own show? Dude is a legitimately great actor.

Gale was the obvious killer but the main villian was the Doctor so I have no problem with Gale being cast. I would also like to have a name actor just be an average extra.

The Doctors arrogance was kind of funny to me, he says he's the surgon you would want doing the surgery but he was on his 3rd strike of F'ups. Yep, that's a resume.

Sherlock (BBC) is a modern telling of the stories, each episode either being a nod to a Holmes story (Blind Banker takes a bit from The Dancing Men) or a retelling. (Scandal, Hounds, Reichenbach, Pink)

Elementary is basically "really smart guy gets complicated cases." The cases seem much more unusual and twisty then the Law and Order/CSI typical cases.

No Moriarty/Mycroft/etc... yet.

I'm confused. I've gotten really into Sherlock Holmes BECAUSE of RDJ's portrayal of the character; I thought those movies were great. Ever since viewing those I've wanted more of the character. So, I recently started reading Arthur Conan Doyle's books and was intrigued when I first heard of this show.

I was really skeptical going in with the radical changes - modern day, NY and a female Watson. I def like the show though, probably just because I really enjoy Sherlock Holmes as it turns out.

So, I'm glad I viewed this thread because now I'll be checking out 'Sherlock'; I'm sure that'll be solid, too. I don't think RDJ can be beat, but I'll soon have two others to compare him to.

omg, I can't believe there's someone else out there that liked that show! I'm happy to hear that as I loved Eli Stone. I think I'm gonna have to go rewatch for the first time. It's too bad there weren't more episodes of that. It seems like Miller's new show will be around for a good while at least.

I should add that I started reading the books only a couple of days ago (still on the first one), so I haven't yet seen the character act in the way the original creator meant for him to exist. Maybe eventually after reading some of the books I'll decide RDJ's version is the worst! Hard for me to believe atm because RDJ is great as an actor all-around, but I'll see...

My wife and I definitely thought Costabile was going to be the bad guy (sort of bad guy), but it really didn't ruin the episode (the doctor guy also usually plays bad guys, if you've watched any number of procedurals). I think this show likes to do a relatively standard (though slightly more complex) procedural, usually with a cherry on top twist in each episode. In comedy, it would be called a topper. I really enjoy the show, and really get into the character interactions and relationships. Aidan Quinn really redeemed himself from that crap performance he gave in last season's horrible Prime Suspect adaptation.

I'm also surprised no one commented on the very bizarre morgue scene at the front where Holmes was "mutilating" dead bodies in the name of his craft.

I think this show is pretty good even though I have picked the killer before he/she was revealed a fair amount of times. Sherlock is probably a better show with better actors but it it is a little tougher to watch for me at lest partly due to its 90 min ep length.

House, which is largely influenced by Sherlock Holmes, is better than both.

It's in the original stories

I admittedly don't know all that much about the Holmes stories, other than the basics.

You'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't say Sherlock >>> Elementary. I definitely agree with this as well. Was impressed with RDJ when his first movie came out but after watching 2 seasons of Sherlock it's not even close anymore.

On another note, this show was good but the Costabile early reveal was way too much of a giveaway. He definitely needs his own show as he's a great actor and seems to guest star in every show on TV, which has downsides like in this Elementary episode.

It's on Netflix

ha I gotta remember to check netflix before downloading everything.

Jumping into his relationship with Irene Adler, however they are going to write it, this early is interesting.

Appearance of Moriarty soon, perhaps?

Solid last ep

The only thing I don't like about the show, that I can't get over is this: Sherlock is probably in his 30s or 40s and his Dad is not only paying rent for him, someone associated with drugs and recently, and is paying for someone to be his caretaker (or whatever her role is). Also, Watson dedicates most of her life to being with him, someone she claims is still no more than a stranger. So much of that just doesn't add up.

How many normal dads are gonna support support their kids in financially in a major way when the kid is as old as Sherlock? And how many people with Watson's occupation are going to devote so much of their time to one client and no one else?

The main character himself and the crime solving are all great however.

Sherlock's dad owns the house he lives in, one of many. He has also been shown to be extremely distant and fits the standard "buys love" archetype of rich distant people towards their children. Funding his lifestyle after rehab isnt that shocking to me, frankly I bet it is pretty standard even for the non-rich to help their kids through hard times like this, but Sherlock's dad is so rich he can go a few steps further than most.

Also Watson's job specifically is to be with one client in the initial 6 weeks of leaving rehab.

Seriously, this was all covered within the show and it all makes sense. The "rehab buddy" is a real thing, it is usually a friend of family member but I wouldnt be shocked to find there are paid ones for rich people. The initial few weeks after leaving rehab is the time the addict is most likely to use drugs again.

Time has not been kind to anything of Robin Colcourt, except his voice. It's hard to believe Kirstie Alley aged better...lol.

I also forgot to mention that was the best sounding episode in the series, so far. Almost the only issues left are dealing with Miller's voice, which they still haven't figured out. He has such a deep diaphragm voice that I think they should put him on a LAV, which they haven't been doing very often with him. He has the type of voice that can still sound much better than average on a LAV mic.