heh i actually got something in my eye when they brough van gogh to see that people would eventually appreciate him.

very strange move for the doctor to make however, i thought he generally avoided telling people about their futures.

The bit at the end where they see he still killed himself a year later was great. Not so much in a schadenfreude way, just in a great powerful scene. The scene before it where he got to realise just how important his work would become was good too.

The rest i didnt give too much of a crap about. But like Davey im not a van Gogh fan. Btw it really pissed me off that his name isnt pronounced like that, i get why they didnt have them accurately pronouncing the guy's name but it was a bit annoying. I get that the Tardis is translating them to Dutch but surely it wouldnt translate his name with a different (correct) use of Dutch phonetics.

How is it supposed to be pronounced and what did they do wrong? I'm American so I always say it probably wrong.

From what I understand, it's supposed to be pronounced kind of like Bach. Which is what I heard them doing. Although they sure did say the name a lot, so whatever annoyance one developed with it would have been driven home.

van GO is the anglicized pronunciation, has no favour in academic circles and has been slowly falling out of favour with the rest of us for at least 30 years.

what kind of a sick **** would you have to be to enjoy learning that he killed himself anyway in a "schadenfreude way"? wtf?

i thought the ep was good. i really like van gogh but really don't think it has much to do with the episode at all. also, though i'm not a dutch expert i'm guessing their pronunciation of the name is more correct than 99.99% of people in the world (most of whom just say "van go"). (here's an mp3 provided by the van gogh museumhttp://www.vggallery.com/misc/vincent_van_gogh.mp3 for anyone who actually cares) (edit: wait, you were actually "pissed off" that they weren't pronouncing it "van go"???? god you suck.)

-doctor continued either not or not being able to save people (or aliens)
-good rory/amy stuff building up
-continued ambiguity/etc about "fixed points in history" since between season mini-series stuff

hehehe. that is what i assumed, but I'm not sure either. The Doctor seemed to pronounce it Gopf, which did grate on me a bit. I just figured that while the english are so nice (so awfully nice), they tawk funny.

i do love that while the brits say "ah" for just about every use of the letter a, they still pronounce tacos like "tack-ohs." pretty sure it's out of spite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTQv8RH1TE
(1:05)

Neither Go or Goff. It is van Hochk (or however you would phonetically write that).

(also the "not so much" is the way i talk, i mean a definitive "not", hence the "just in a..." bit)

Edit to add a second source, from vggallery.com:

with sound files that are the same as i linked.

phil,

1) that's the same source as i linked to for my mp3, above.
2) so what was the point of the "not so much for shadenfreude" line or whatever? is that like "i like the moon but not so much because it's got stripes"? or did you mean "i did NOT like it because i did NOT like seeing bad things happen to other people"? just trying to wrap my head around your use of language here.
3) so, are you saying that you were upset they pronounced it because it wasn't hochk or whatever, or because it wasn't go?

2, I said "Not so much in a schadenfreude way, just in a great powerful scene." Remove the words "so much" for what i meant. Just crappy writing.

3, The British version (van goff) is better than the US version (van go). I knew about the Hochk pronunciation from another BBC show (QI, that linked to) and it would have been nice to have an ep that celebrated the guy to take 30 seconds to educate the masses on how his name is really pronounced and it would be super easy to write into the show, either with the tour guide saying it or the Doctor correcting Amy on it or whatever.

I mean its just being nitty and as i said i understand entirely why they didnt pronounce his name right, but it just bugged me more than "totally pissed me off". I tend to exaggerate more than i really should, lol.

I don't know what if anything this means, but in the preview...

Some good Torchwood news, new series being worked on and its a collaboration between BBC and Starz.

http://www.c21media.net/news/detail....&article=55927

Id lol at Starz but they deserve some respect for Spartacus.

Torchwood not getting another season after the amazing Children of Earth would be criminal. If they can get some bigger funds and if they bring the same quality of CoE to the next season it will be amazing.

Really enjoyed this weeks episode the monster of the week element was a bit weak but the sit com part of it was funny and well written. Was the sort of episode that I expected the two well known comedy writers from this season to come up with.

Thought Matt Smith was excellent as well.

Yeah, it was a very sound episode and James Corden was WAY WAY better than i expected, though that is prob because Peter Kay set the bar so damn low for comedians doing guest spots.

The hologram thing was pretty weaksauce and an ep with less Amy is a little meh but overall the episode was solid and prob my fave of the season so far.

Didn't really like this one at all, not the worst episode this year (Daleks), I just really didn't like it.

Enjoyed the first part of the season finale tonight, although I kinda expected the whole Doctor in the Pandorica to be honest. Not saying I thought that would happen exactly, but thought it would be something similar, especially after the line about whatever was inside being the 'most feared thing in the universe' or whatever it was. Did surprise me though when Rory turned out not to be 'real' though

Really looking forward to next week's episode now

Pretty cool ep. Looking forward to the next part. Hopefully they dont let themselves down because they have built up a LOT that they can easily ruin with a crappy resolution.

Enjoyed too, was expecting the reverse the tardis or doctor coming out of the pandoricca.

Skull dropping out of the cyberman mask one of the best moments of the series, could see the kids round the country scurrying for cover.

I am liking this incarnation of the doctor more and more with each episode, have really cast him well imho.

Some great stuff floating around about the episode and if the full depths turn out to be true then it could be wonderful.

Go back and look at the episode Flesh and Stone at around 18minutes in, the bit just after The Doctor taps Amy on the head and says later. The Doctor then appears again and its not the same Doctor that is in the rest of the episode. Clothes and watch are different in the next scene. He says the below to her!


In the latest episode this speech seems to be about more than just Rory.

Yeah, he's now wearing his tweed coat the Angels took and a watch. On tardis.wikia.com it's listed as both an error and a potential piece of continuity. We'll know in 5 days.

This episode The Doctor should have known something was up when 3 different species that never back down backed down outside.

His shirt is also different.

The thing that struck me most when I watched it back was that The Doctor appears to be different in train of thought and mood and the whole tone of scene changes. When he taps her on the head and say "Later" he appears to have gone. He then returns and makes this impassioned plea to Amy.

That speech about too many rooms was an instant one and i knew there was more going on than first appeared.

Shall see how this wraps up on Sat. This season could potentially be very good if there is an amazing ending to it. Im really hoping my mind is blown.

Shirt seems to have the same pattern. You are right about a different mood, but we are talking about The Doctor who's completely manic half the time.