Much improved episode and really liking the dynamic the new girl has got with the doctor. Moffat should just write all of them.

Very very cool first part. This is what i want from the show, it was like a million times better than the bull**** of the last Dalek ep.

First excellent episode of the series imo. Hopefully keeps up from here onwards, I've been hugely disappointed so far after being spoilt by the past seasons.

Pretty good episode, made it almost half way with the lights out.

This part two was the first time I remember being confused by so many parts of the plot, particularly with Amy "fooling" the angels by walking around with her eyes closed. These guys can time their movement to people's blinks and glances away, how can they not tell that her eyes were closed?

Wasn't nearly as good as the last episode, and the new doctor isn't growing on me yet; some of his reactions seem to be misplaced (what was the deal with his extreme pride in the cybernetic trees?) and he's very very strange looking which puts me off for some reason.

He explains that due to the time rip they're scared and are naturally kicking in their freeze method.

The fact that none of the angels froze each other despite looking at each other or in retrospect that the angels from Blink didn't use the fake stone hand/angel in your brain attack were more irksome.

I like him better that 9, but passing 10 might be impossible. And how can he turn down Amy? She's a redhead, they're borderline untrurndownable.

Yeah, changing the rules of the angels was annoying.

Also i really hope this rip in time stuff doesnt turn out to be as terrible as it seems to be. This season had ALL of 2009 to be written separate from the special episodes and its just not been good.

i've never seen doctor who. i enjoy intelligent sci-fi, but i despise campy sci-fi. in 2p2's opinion, which is it? and if it's intelligent, can i pick it up now, or would i have to start at the beginning? or is there a potential starting point elsewhere?

David Tennant's work (the 10th Doctor) is the best, but for full effect just start from Christopher Eccleston and see how you like it.

That would be classed as "season/series one" most places as the new ones (as apose to the ones back in the 70s) are considered a new start entirely. Tennant is the new doctor of season 2 and he continues until series 4 where they get into some specials before the current season starts. Which is also now called "series one"

It has its own very British style. Its not dumbed down and i wouldnt describe it as camp but its hard to put into words what its like given the main character is eccentric in all his various versions (Eccleston is the most serious one though).

One word of warning is you need to suspend disbelief at some of the aliens because of the low budget. The Slitheen are especially **** looking:

Watch Torchwood first is the adult version set in the same universe.

The acting in torchwood is markedly inferior imo.

Definitely don't delve into the old doctor who's. As for picking the series up, I think you can just jump in. Sometimes they have "to be continued" episodes so obviously don't jump in any part 2's, but at least in previous seasons episodes have stood alone pretty well.

Even the story arcs that span the season don't tend to dominate the episodes until the end of it. If you're a completionist then i agree, start at the eccleston season.

Children of Earth, the miniseries of Torchwood, is must see viewing for anyone who considers themselves a sci fi fan.

Not sure id say jump straight in on that but at some point everyone should give that miniseries a spin.

My first foray into this thread and I'm worried to read too much in it for risk of spoilers. What's the official point of discussion in this thread? I'm watching it on BBC USA, so I'm a couple weeks behind.

The Dalek episode was ok, but really felt a lot like they were just putting pieces in place with no great payoff. The Time of Angels last night....well, I wasn't terribly happy with it. I'll reserve more discussion until I know where you guys are in the series

And just so you guys know where I'm coming from, I freaking LOVE this series. From Eccleston up through The End of Time special, there isn't a single episode I don't love. This is the first time since the rebirth of the show that I'm watching episodes and thinking "Eh". I thought the space whale episode was fantastic, but the last two have been less than amazing.

So far we have been using UK release dates as the discussion point.

Not that there is a great deal to discuss, this series has been a MASSIVE let down for me and im a huge DW fan.

I think the season is okay, only Victory has been subpar

Okey I'll probably avoid the thread then to avoid spoilers. But I am glad to know it isn't just me feeling let down. The Angels episode that aired here in the States last night felt like a Star Trek episode with the Borg, with a somewhat forced set up, and random new rules being made up for the villains out of the blue just to move the plot.

That said, after four seasons (and a few specials) of mind-blowing awesomeness, they have a lot of goodwill left to burn up before I give up as far as I am concerned. I like the new Doctor and I LOVE Amy Pond, but they have some work to do on the stories.

Yeah, i feel identical. I have no problem with Matt Smith and Karen Gillan has been outstanding and with time will rival Martha as best assistant ever but everything else is just not there in terms of quality.

The first half of the angels ep was pretty good but the rest has been average or in the case of the Dalek ep the worst ep ever.

Do you think? The acting in DW outside of the Dr and Rose tends to be pretty dodgy. Catherine Tate and her family in particular Bernard Cribbins (thank god he wont be back) were all awful, Roses family and boyfriend (even though he has gone on to make a couple of good films) were just as bad. The main standout bad actor in TW is the daft welsh boyfriend.

I more enjoyed Torchwood with its more adult themes and I think more consistantly good episodes. Dr Who I enjoy more as somthing I can watch with my daughter and both of us get a bit out of, even if there are a number of silly and inconsistant episodes, although she isnt so keen to watch it now Tennant has gone.


This weeks episode sucked again, cant believe they have gone back to the dynamic of season 1, jealous boyfriend out of the loop tagging along with them, and the main story arc isnt being done as well as the Bad Wolf stuff. I also found it a bit strange that the Dr was quite happy to wipe out a whole species without any thought or concious.

I was expecting with Moffat in charge that we would maybe get a more darker show and better consistant episodes, maybe he needs someone above him to get the best out of him.

Expecting next week to be a more comedy infused one as its wrote by the bloke that did Men Behaving Badly.

That's probably true about DW, but the doctors were such standouts that it's easier to ignore the rest. Captain Jack isn't nearly so powerful a lead.

The welsh accents may have been too much for me


I found the adult themes of torchwood to be pretty gratuitous, myself. There was too much coupling (or attempts at it) going on, and too much attention paid to it in the face of everything else that was happening. Lots of scifi does that, and I guess I find the ones that don't appealing.

His gf made out with an alien, he gets to be jealous for a bit.

Everytime he tries to save a race they say no. This race his killed at least 6 people and are planning to kill 200k+, Doctor doesn't show this kind of race mercy.

+1,always felt TW was trying to say "Look everyone, we're the mature DW with dudes doing it and f bombs!"

last episode ok imo. I left feeling pretty good about it, but the side investigation with the boyfriend and the kid didn't seem to matter after all and seemed like wasted screentime.

New doctor growing on me, though he still seems maybe a little too close to tennant.

When DW does serious it can be really brutally good.

But this is still the worst DW season since the show's return back with Eccleston and its not really close.

Saying a major story arc is done worse than the Bad Wolf arc is pretty silly, for a variety of reasons starting with the fact that the payoff in Bad Wolf was exceptional. More importantly, in the Bad Wolf arc there were no clues at all about what was actually going on with Bad Wolf, and the majority of viewers may or may not have noticed signs and such in the background but it was meaningless. As cool as it was, Bad Wolf wasn't actually an arc, so much as breadcrumbs. In trying to make a season-long arc of at least intrigue for the viewer about what is going on, they're doing something different with this series. No, you're not going to get the "oh my god suddenly this giant mystery is revealed and it makes things that were meaningless before suddenly have meaning on re-viewing" (actually I still think that we might be in line for something like that with a timeline-reverting paradox or something being the eventual payoff here), but you're going to actually have a story arc.

Personally I don't think this season has been poor at all. I think there's been maybe 1 or 2 pretty weak episodes, but that almost all of the complaints I've seen from people boil down to not liking the new Doctor or the new companion as much as the old ones which is understandable but not always totally divorceable from "I like the things I know and have seen before." (Though obviously the previous 2 reboot Doctors have some serious acting cred behind them.)

I find the theme so far in this season of the Doctor giving people a chance to display the best of humanity and then being repeatedly disappointed by them pretty rough to deal with, much more so than 10's "I'm so sorry." And similarly I found the end of Lizard People pt 2 rougher than I would have expected to.

Anyway, I have more to say about the Series and the Season in general but I'll hold off for now.

Yesterday's "Van Gogh" episode was great imo.

I hated every second of it, Richard Curtis had said he was asked to rewrite a load of stuff can only imagine how bad it originally was. Maybe if I cared more about Van gogh might have been into it more, but not into his stuff and was totally uimpressed by the sunflowers when I saw them the other week.