meh maybe, though a couple exceptions

AoS season 1 was bad (before Winter Soldier tie-in)
Arrow Current season is bad

Arrow S1 was good. Agent Carter was very good. AOS was so bad it is one of maybe 5 shows I straight quit. Daredevil is much better than all but agent Carter. It is better acted, better shot, better written than all. The fight scenes in Daredevil are much better than anything on tv. That E2 corridor scene was movie quality

You're not wrong about any of that, but sick beat that you quit out on AoS early

Do yourself a favor and start watching again from Turn, Turn, Turn

AoS has gained a lot of ground since Winter Soldier but its action sequences are still a mixed bag. Agent Carter was quite good but there were some pacing issues early on.

Arrow is just... Daredevil is better than Arrow has ever been as it features actors that can act and dialogue that real people would say instead of lines that sound like they come from the Book of Dreadful Cliches.

Overall Daredevil has the best blend of drama, action, bromance and romance. Mathew Murdock himself is the most compelling of all these comic-book TV characters.

Don't forget, comparing miniseries to tv series are quite different

One of the main reasons daredevil was so good was because it was 13 hours of action and plot advancement.

With shows like AoS, Arrow and Flash we get 20+ hours a season so it makes room for a lot more ****ty drama.

Another reason why Carter was so good. They had 8 hours to fit a lot of good story and action in

I agree there, especially that full 20+ season episodes severely hurt a show's ability to stay focused, but I think that is more of a symptom of a television problem than just a difference in style. Older network shows always go 20+ episodes because they want that strong viewership for their flagship shows for a longer time, but it seems smart shows are abandoning this and going to more concise, contained seasons.

Nonetheless, no network show has matched Daredevil's script. Arrow at its best was entertaining and compelling, but the dialogue and character motivation has always been incredibly suspect. I can't speak for AOS since I gave it up fairly early, but no way could the dialogue have improved to resemble anything even remotely decent. I've also never been a fan of random unimportant lame villains of the week, and longer seasons almost always lead to that.

Pretty much all of this.

Agents of shield has gotten better, it's probably switched places with Arrow in terms of quality, but it's still league behind Daredevil.

Daredevil was perfect, yes perfect. They literally did nothing wrong, I couldn't imagine a better Daredevil show/movie/.

Mathew Murdock isn't even the most compelling character on Daredevil

Daredevil episodes run 10+ minutes longer on average, so it's really more like 16 episodes.

Also, Flash started out very strong, but it's dipped in the second half.

Daredevil >>>>>>>>> Agent Carter > Agents of SHiELD > Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arrow

Flash has gotten better since the Wells was revealed to be the Reverse Flash.

I think it's safe to assume that

Pretty ****ty to spoil stuff from a different show.

Of course SM always gets the upper hand in a one on one fight .. and ya it's hard to fathom .. but we've seen he's a hands on criminal kingpin and has some rage issues which obviously make him a serious menace.

It's not even a fight. Spider-Man can literally win with one finger.

Then you haven't read many of the older Amazing Spider Man books ... I've had a 4000 book collection total , many of those ASM's.

As you can tell he doesn't back away from doing his own dirty work. Do some research.

Logic would dictate he could do what you claim but logic doesn't play a huge role in Silver Age comic books or even the modern ones. Newer ones are more realistic but SM and Kingpin have clashed 1v1 many times over the years and if you think the fights ended so easily .. that wouldn't have made for a very good read.

From Wikipedia

While The Kingpin has no superhuman powers, he is incredibly strong and significantly durable above the average human, possessing remarkable strength concealed by his somewhat corpulent appearance. Most of his body mass is actually muscle that has been built to extraordinary size, much like a Super Heavyweight sumo wrestlers or some Olympic weightlifters and Powerlifters but at strength levels even greater than them. He has been shown to be strong enough to hurl large men across a room,[volume & issue needed] rip limbs from people (demonstrated under a handshake),[volume & issue needed] crush a man's skull with his bare hands,[36] and leave imprints in concrete walls after punching them.[volume & issue needed] Defying his size, The Kingpin is a master of many forms of armed and unarmed combat, particularly sumo, jujutsu, and hapkido. He is an extraordinarily skilled martial artist, especially in sumo wrestling. His signature move is the bear hug. He once fought Captain America to a standstill in hand-to-hand combat.







To quote Stan Lee ... 'nuff said

cartoons and movies are two different things I get it, but still in the movies he is 10x stronger than humans and basically takes a beating like thor gets from the hulk and shrugs it off at times, but a human can lock his wrist? mkay.

From what I read, it was only twice that Kingpin and Spider-Man had a fight that wasn't lopsided. Bad writing.

Also, Captain America technically doesn't have super powers. (Dumb as that idea is)

Seriously arguing about this? Comics are wildly inconsistent when it comes to just about everything. Characters' abilities and histories are entirely dependent on whomever happens to be writing.

Comics never bother with reality even for low/un-powered people. The best martial artist in the DCU is a woman, Shiva, who can beat the crap out of Batman despite the vast difference in strength and weight. In relation to the AoS thread, Skye's limited training in hand-to-hand isn't what's so unrealistic; the nonsensical thing is that she can toss around men who are far bigger than her.

He is super powered by his serum , strength and agility .

Don't want to start a long argument but I clearly refuted your ignorant statement.

Spider Man's practically telling you in those pics what you said in your post was wrong lol. Don't backtrack and make yourself look even worse. Your ego can't handle being wrong about a comic book character comment ?

I also clearly stated Kingpin can hold his own , not overcome spidey in a fight , 2 different things.

Wikipedia quote time: "Captain America has no superhuman powers, but through the Super-Soldier Serum and "Vita-Ray" treatment, he is transformed and his strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, durability, and healing are at the zenith of natural human potential."

That's why I said that idea is dumb, since he's obviously written as having super powers despite his back story saying he doesn't.

Also, I said it happened a couple times and that it was bad, dumb writing. Nothing about those panels disputes that. There are a ton of terribad comic book stories, because they would pump out that crap as fast as I could. Grats on finding a few? Spider-Man has beaten Firelord, a godlike herald of Galactus who is literally worshipped by the Inhumans and lost to Kingpin, a random strong human. Both are extreme examples of bad writing putting him outside of his real power boundaries.

I was only disputing this comment Which i think I proved is wrong ? Agree with a lot of what you say but that's clearly not accurate in comic book history.

Serious nerd business in this thread!

Here are my memories of Kingpin from the 90s cartoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq8kPo3tyGY

i also found it weird he even was somewhat of a match for daredevil. Just didnt seem realistic that out of shape overweight guy could get a punch in

Err he isn't out of shape. He is a mass of muscle as much as fat and was consistly presented as a badass fighter using that power. He was built like a sumo wrestler.