He already attempted suicide once in the show. It's not *that* unbelievable. But suicide by cop/enemies is the most likely at this point.

My wife made a really good observation on watching again. In both scenes with walt and skylar, up until the very vey end we do not see walter above the neck. My wife thinks this is to indicate that Skylar no longer sees walt as her husband but as a faceless monster.

and that will last for how long exactly?

Everyone here seems to be gung ho on the Walt is a monster now vision, from what we saw at Denny's looks like there will come an event that causes a crisis of conscience and the old pussy Walt will return. That was not Heisenberg in Denny's.

pretty much every single electronic store as well as stores like walmart, target, etc, and even a lot of in and out 7-11 type places have them

I'm not sure old pussy Walt would be the best way to describe it, since he buys an M60 machine gun in the same scene. On his last leg? Sure. Turning back into a pussy? Seems unlikely.

hank knowing that walt is Heisenberg is like 1000 times dumber than Jesse knowing Walt poisoned the kid

I think Jmill is right about everything, but I may be influenced by his avatar.

He looked scared.

i think it's a mix of shock/fear and i don't think she's so afraid that she'd let walter rape her.

i think the scene was more about showing a combination of walt's level of delusion (that skyler would be in the mood for sex) and how confident/power mad he is.

I've said a couple times that I could be misreading though. I just think that after the shock wears off skyler will go back to being into the whole criminal side of things. she's just coming to grips with the fact that walter killed a dude.

Nice read, Mrs. Master3004. Another great piece of direction by Michelle MacLaren.

i like this show because its about drugs and drugs are cool

they should have more scenes showing people using drugs that would be awesome

okay this is pretty telling that i've probably misread teh skyler scenes.

that's only because hank is a cop. investigators are easily led astray by stereotypes because they're mostly accurate. anyone with soft eyes can see that walt is suspicious

he'd be a dummy if he weren't

gilligan calls it a rape but consent is implied. (if a wife's unwilling sex with her husband is rape, then i'd wager most of the hubbies on this forum are rapists) what's really sinister is the cinematography in the white household

gilligan is trying to build this case against walt but it is not airtight thus far

Maybe this has been posted before, but Mike and Walt ''irritating'' each other. First when Mike gets to sit in his comfy chair (all puffing and ''ooh, ahh'') and just when he found the right spot Walt rings the bell. Second time is when Walt is doing the dishes so his hands are all wet and stuff and he gets that call from Mike.

Not sure if this has been put in on purpose though.

Wait, what?


Are you saying it isn't possible for a husband to rape his wife?


The sexual conduct in the last scene wasn't an unwilling wife having sex with her husband to pleas him, it was a frightened to death woman allowing a man she no longer loves and fears to an amazing extent to violate her in order to not piss him off to the point that she dies.

Explain to me how that isn't rape.


Calling guys who want sex with their wives and their wives giving in to make their man happy because they like their husbands being happy and will put up with something they may not have time for or are too tried for, etc. rapists is disgusting.

It is only rape if Walt knows skyler's mindset. It is pretty clear that he doesn't.

I disagree, Just because his mindset is so skewed he can't see it doesnt change the fact that its rape.

So people who re insane or mentally handicapped can't rape? Is that the jist of it?

1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.


Walt is forcing Skylar to have sex through duress (her fear that he will kill her.) It is very clearly rape.

See, this is why I hesitated to use the word rape in the first place.

what about the time walt tried to rape her and she got her face cream all over the fridge

of course a husband can rape his wife. i'm a long-time lurker, so it's fair of you to assume i'm nuts, i guess.

but, to a viewer indifferent to gilligan's intent and with a friendly evaluation of walter's choices in seasons 2 and 4, this is not obviously coerced sex. indeed, it seems like the case you describe in your last paragraph - a lethargic sky is just mailing in the sex to gratify her husband. that is, i don't have to grant that i'm thinking of walt as a villain coming into this scene.

i'm asking us to adopt a prosecutorial perspective if we're gonna call it rape. how would we substantiate the claim that the sex was coerced? you propose it's that walt has shown himself to be a true badass rather than a henpecked pussy. so, with this in mind, i'm to believe that skyler is scared to death.

but that dog won't hunt. walt has never threatened her physically. not even when it was warranted. so she can't credibly claim to be afraid for her life.

no, i propose that she's just grief-stricken over beneke.

i'm loving that gilligan built up a character for us to love and then builds a case against him. but the author's case has to hold water - it can't just be lighting and sad faces

now, THIS is a scene one can legitimately call (attempted) rape. but from a prosecutor's perspective, the accused will credibly argue he was outside his mind due to being a cancer man

Skylar said it specifically in episode one "Walt I'm scared" "of what?" "Of you"

How does the dog not hunt when it was explicitly mentioned by the character who is scared for her life?

There was nothing at all about that scene that indicated that Skylar was going along with the sex to gratify Walt as her husband. She visibly cringed and moaned in a frightened way when he grabbed her breast.

good job, good effort rabe

walt comes in and tells her the pain will go away. he acknowledges her grief. then he talks of something trivial like what dinner tasted like. sizzler is all shell shocked. walt was practically wallowing in her guilt. then he just straight up sexes her with no concern over her mental state of mind.