My first post ITT. Watched Seasons 1-4 this summer, watching Season Five with you guys. Looks like I've been needed around here.

Things I saw this week, that I cannot believe nobody has mentioned yet ITT:

--If French+Ranch=Franch, I can't wait to find out ?+?=Fring. Or maybe it's nothing at all ("Just ketchup.")

--Yes, that was The Caine Mutiny. I recognized it before they even SHOWED Mike's tv, it was just background noise while they showed his granddaughter's artwork on his fridge. Someone ITT suggested that it was foreshadowing a forceful overthrow of Walt. I suggest that it was foreshadowing a forceful overthrow of Mike in this very episode, as we see one of his own men try to take him out.

--Everyone ITT thinks Mike wants back in because suddenly he has no money. I think he wants back in because suddenly his GRANDDAUGHTER has no money! The account was in her name, no money has ever been drawn from it--Mike was banking that money for her, not for himself. Based on his modest home and car, he's probably living on his police pension.

--Lydia was spared because she kept repeatedly invoking her young daughter, reminding Mike of the little girl in his own life--the now-penniless one. He calls Walt to say, "I'm in," because he needs to restart his baby's nest egg.

--When the man with a gun to your head asks you if you can acquire something for him, you don't say "Maybe. Why?"!!! You assure him that you, AND ONLY YOU, will have him swimming in the stuff in no time!

--Hank's boss laments, "I can't believe he was right under my nose the whole time." I think this quite clearly foreshadows a rat working in the DEA.

--I know SOMEONE here has whipped up some Franch and tried it. Trip report, plz.

I'm not. Sorry I offended your delicate sensibilities with my joke.

I don't think so. Captain Queeg too closely resembles Walt in his paranoia and other characteristics.

I remember you from last week's "magnets, how do they work" debate and that's why I got suspicious.

So there wasn't a predetermined ending in these "other story telling arts."

WTF I didn't make a single post in the magnets debate.

http://www.amazon.com/LOL-Laugh-Loud...+roll+over+pig

First review from 'Mike':

Really sorry, my bad. It was jmakinmecrzy.

rofl how did you find that pig review... pretty great

lol no problem. But that stings a little that you confused us

For fun I thought about this and I came up with Fish Ring. Now follow me here - the opposite of chicken is fish, a type of fish is tuna, an anagram of tuna is aunt...Aunt Marie. Case Closed.

Lmao, that's a whole new level of speculation.
Deep shieeet if you ask me.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Hank's boss was talking about using Fring's fish cooking method. Fish Ring = Fish Crime Ring

Saul Goodman = Salmon
Mike Ehrmantraut = Trout

Skinny Pete could mean Pike, Badger could be Bass, Chau is Chum, and Schrader could mean Snapper. I don't know that many fish types so there could be more. I did look up some types of salmon and there is a Pink Salmon (Pinkman) and Salamanca could also be Salmon.

Yep, the pieces of the puzzle are all coming together, just had to get the corners first.

Tuna is also sometimes called "the chicken of the sea", so I really think you might be on to something here.

And this is disproving my point how? Are you even trying to disprove it?

Let me see:

TV shows can't compare themselves to books and films whose endings are predetermined because there have been books whose endings were not predetermined.

Is that about what you're trying to say?

"Black cars are black" is a false statement then, no? After all there ARE cars that are red.

JFC

The last few posts have been full ******

dickens tho

fnx99,

Are you saying it can't be art if it's commercial? If so lol.

severe lol @ you
so basically, you don't know what art is

I think that's just supposed to make us think about the parallel to Hank's situation-- the guy he's been losing for has been right under his nose the whole time, and he can't see it.

People have been speculating about a mole in the DEA this whole time, but I don't see it. A mole isn't necessary to explain anything about the story to date, so why should we think there is one?

no, he's not saying anything. he posted a screencap where there's a kellog's box on the table and said Trolls. Let's not feed them.


this.
and this.

I actually thought that scene was a bit exaggerated for dramatic effect unless they're implying Hank actually suspects Walt. If he doesn't there was no real reason for him to make that contemplative face when the guy delivered the 'right under my nose' line

Yeah. Alot, of great art comes from "riffing" if you will. Music often does. Just cause something has an ending all planned out doesn't qualify it as art vs something that doesn't.

Also there is no reason that a TV show couldn't have it all planned out before. Didn't one of those space shows (Babylon 5 maybe) have it all mapped out from start to finish? I didn't watch that, but I remember hearing about it.

A mole in the DEA would, to use an American term, come so far out of left field at the moment that I'd seriously have to doubt they weren't "Deus Ex'ing" their way out of a plot hole they'd dug themselves in. So far I don't have the impression Breaking Bad is in a lot of trouble plot-wise and they manage to write cool stuff without DE'ing, so I think a mole in the DEA is a pretty big long shot.

I never said Breaking Bad wasn't art. That was the other dude. I merely said that TV shows are not on par with OTHER story telling art. This is not the fault of the artist, however, but merely due to the medium and the way it's produced.

Are we, for example, expected to believe that Walt Jr. is 15 years old in S01-EP01 and 16 years old in S05-EP02? I'm not even going to go into the whole Skyler's appearance thing (but wtflol).

I'm not blaming the creators of the show for stuff like that. That's just the stuff that the medium brings with itself, and thus excusable. It DOES detract from the viewing experience and pleasure though, at least for me it does.

fnx needs a big ole dose of vitamin grow the **** up.

Not only can TV be art, at this point the best TV >>>> movies imo. I have no idea what point somebody's trying to make about knowing the ending/serialization- but I'm pretty comfortable it's dumb as hell.