A liverpool fan who dislikes Badger and labels Gilligan an ignorant moron. Congrats cashy, you're officially my least favourite person in the world!

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lol ok, forgiven! (the least favourite person on the planet title is reserved for suarez anyway)

LOL yeah, the guy who created the show that you're spending so much time posting about is an ignorant moron, that's a rational thing to say.

VG created the character, he knows her better than anyone. Sure, you're free to interpret the portrayal of her any way you wish, but as far as the essence of the character goes - and this is beyond Anna Gunn or any on-screen portrayal of her - VG is the only one who knows.

It has been said that Skyler gets so much hate because she serves as a window of opportunity for men to hate women openly (similar to Betty White, Lori Grimes and others), and I can't help but think that's true.

just because I love his show does not mean I can't think of him as an ignorant moron in certain aspects of life

Absolutely, if it were a question of his political views or his religious beliefs or something else completely unrelated to the show. He's talking about his own characters, though, so it's just ludicrous to presume you know more about them than he does.

Not really. He's clouded by his own bias.

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VG created the character, but he doesn't get to tell us we have to like her or else there is something wrong with us.

That's interesting, because I thought it was by design that empathy for Skyler and Walt flip-flop as the series progressed. However, given his last couple sentences, he also refers to people calling Skyler a bitch once she finds out what Walt did. Which, if the threads here were any indication of what Vince read, definitely trended closer to misogyny than not.

Just re-read the season 4 thread for Skyler mentions, it's littered with dumbass comments. Early on, though, Skyler was certainly domineering, and I think that perception stayed with many people a bit too well.

VG makes the mistake of thinking there's something wrong with cooking crystal meth.

I thought she was a bitch because she was so passive-aggressive with the way she dealt with things. But in season 5, she becomes a character to sympathize with in this short clip:



(go to 39 seconds)

what?
how a character is intended to be perceived is a completely different matter than how it is actually perceived by a broad audience

Vince intended her to be a well-liked character with intact morality, a lot of people however did not like her due to her very authoritative/dominant and also petty-minded nature.
people generally have a hard time adjusting their first impression and usually stick with it no-matter what so I understand where people who don't like her are coming from.
Characterizing anyone who does not like here as misogynists is as ignorant as it gets, plain and simple.

I'm pretty sure disliking a female character for being 'authoritative/dominant' while admiring male characters for the same qualities is a perfect example of misogyny. That's the point. It's not a problem that people dislike Skyler, it's a problem that the reasons they quote are reasons that also apply to any number of male characters in the show.

the show starts with walter as weak/fragile hero who gets demoralized/undercut by Skylar at every opportunity
The hate is completely understandable

cashy owning this argument while ginger keeps resorting back to an interview he read on the interweb...

there's no doubt there are several groups of people who have skylar hate and one group probably does so for mysoginistic reasons but to say everyone who has that opinion is mysoginistic is beyond ludicrous...

not liking skylar does not mean you think Walt is some sort of hero to be emulated btw...

Yeah, and the other side of the argument is obviously using a bunch of hard evidence. It's just a debate, no-one can prove anything, and an interview with the guy who created the show is about the closest thing to hard evidence anyone has.

Also, nowhere did I say that a) everyone who dislikes Skyler does it for misogynistic reasons or b) everyone who dislikes Skyler loves Walt. My argument is, and always has been, that there is a double standard of many people (not all) hating on Skyler for reasons that they could easily apply to male characters on the show (not necessarily Walt), but choose not to. This particular attitude is undoubtedly misogynistic. So far, no-one ITT has presented coherent reasoning for disliking Skyler without blindly over-exaggerating her flaws and ignoring every positive aspect of her character.

I am expending way too much of my energy on this argument, and it appears that waging a one-man war on TV's portrayal of women is a really ****ing dumb idea, so you guys just go ahead and enjoy season 5b. I look forward to gauging the reaction ITT if and when Skyler gets killed off.

you were clearly defending VG's "anybody who hates skylar = misogynistic" standpoint

plain and simple.

If we're talking actual hate - like calling her a bitch etc as VG refers to, attacking her in the way this thread often does, holding double standards - then yes, I believe all of that is misogynism. I'm not just using hate as some kind of blanket terminology for any kind of negative attitude, because it's a strong word.

If someone ITT had presented an argument for why they disliked Skyler's character without going way overboard and while providing a realistic perspective on her role in the story, sure, I'd be willing to listen. But so far no-one seems capable of saying "well, Skyler's okay, but I didn't like it when she did this".

But whatever, this discussion is clearly making this thread terrible. Neither of us are going to change our perspectives, so whatever. I'm done trying to sound smart.

anybody who hates bogdan is a racist

Solid counter-argument.

rewatching...

LOL @ how mad Gustavo is that he lost two "valued" (totally replaceable, child-murdering) employees. Pick your spots, bro. There was zero need to plot to have Walt made replaceable and then executed as retribution.

anyone who hates Bogdan is probably an idiot because i don't think we have enough information about him to form any kind of opinion really, or should have any particular feelings towards him one way or the other. super kool analogy tho.

he wasn't MAD that they were killed, like he said he might have done it himself given the chance (though maybe not if you believe he ordered the hit on the kid, and he was really scheming to drive wedges, etc), he was obviously MAD that the decision was taken out of his hands by Walt/Jesse.

we can't tell if gus actually would have punished them at all. gus needed walt to THINK he would have killed them so walt would be more comfortable working, regardless of what he actually would have done.

there was no time for walt to call gus for his input/assistance. the argument that he should have waited is essentially an argument that walt should have let jesse get killed.

considering that, gus's response was out of proportion to what walt actually did: save jesse's life via killing two scumbag child murders, with no option to get help from others because of the timeframe.