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Old 09-05-2011, 03:46 AM   #3391
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I love how for some people, Gus crying after a good friend was killed right in front of him obviously means Gus is gay.

I think it had a lot more to do with the emotions being displayed and words being used at the table before the guy got shot.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:51 AM   #3392
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oh yeah, and i'm just going to say it's a minor slipup, but wouldn't gus have jessie's house bugged? didn't mike start out in the series as a PI (which is pretty lol)
IIRC Hank's house being bugged by Mike was ordered by Saul when Walt and Skyler's marriage was breaking up and Walt wasn't really working for Gus yet. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:07 AM   #3393
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There's an obvious connection, for Gus, between his first chemist/lover and Walt.

And yes, Gus was obviously involved with Pinochet's Chilean Death Squads in some way. The reason why Gus seemed so confident in front of the Mexican boss was because he thinks of himself as untouchable - which he is - but the Mexican boss showed him he can still be "touched" without being touched.
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what an azzhole.
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Old 09-05-2011, 04:41 AM   #3395
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There's an obvious connection, for Gus, between his first chemist/lover and Walt.
What kind of connection? Gus ordered to have Walt killed a little while ago.

There is more of a similarity between Gale and the Chilean chemist.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:01 AM   #3396
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Man, this show makes me want to learn more about Pinochet's Chile so I can figure out who Gus might be.

He didn't seem cold and hard enough in the flashback to be a death-squad kind of guy, but I imagine he was important/privileged and connected in some other way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinochet. Interesting read.

Some "highlights":

Thousands of Chileans and other perceived threats to the coup were rounded up in the national stadium, where many of them were killed, setting the stage for decades of brutal repression that followed. As many as 3000 people may have died during Pinochet's years in power—more than 1000 are still missing.

A document released by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 2000, titled "CIA Activities in Chile", revealed that the CIA actively supported the military junta after the overthrow of Allende and that it made many of Pinochet's officers into paid contacts of the CIA or U.S. military, even though some were known to be involved in human rights abuses.

During a 1986 protest against Pinochet, 21 year old American photographer Rodrigo Rojas DeNegri and 18 year old student Carmen Gloria Quintana were burnt alive, with only Carmen surviving.

Due to the transitional provisions of the constitution, Pinochet remained as Commander-in-Chief of the Army until March 1998. He was then sworn in as a senator-for-life, a privilege granted by the 1980 constitution to former presidents with at least six years in office. His senatorship and consequent immunity from prosecution protected him from legal action.

In March 2000, the Congress approved a constitutional amendment creating the status of "ex-president," which granted its owner immunity from prosecution and guaranteed him a financial allowance. In exchange, it required him to resign from his seat of senator-for-life. Of the legislators, 111 voted for, and 29 (mostly, if not all, from the Left) against.

Questioned by his judges in order to know if, as President, he was the direct head of DINA, he answered: "I don't remember, but it's not true. And if it were true, I don't remember."

On 25 November 2006, Pinochet marked his 91st birthday by having his wife read a statement written by him, and read to his admirers present for his birthday: "I assume the political responsibility of all that has been done." Two days later, he was again ordered to house arrest for the kidnapping and murder of two bodyguards of Salvador Allende who were arrested the day of the 1973 coup and executed by a firing squad during the Caravan of Death episode.

However, Pinochet died a few days later, on 10 December 2006, without having been convicted of any of the many serious crimes of which he was accused.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:08 AM   #3397
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What kind of connection? Gus ordered to have Walt killed a little while ago.

There is more of a similarity between Gale and the Chilean chemist.
partners that are willing to risk their lives for each other even in front of a murderous tyrant?
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:39 AM   #3398
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What kind of connection? Gus ordered to have Walt killed a little while ago.

There is more of a similarity between Gale and the Chilean chemist.
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partners that are willing to risk their lives for each other even in front of a murderous tyrant?
This. Gus sees a similarity between himself/dead lover and Walt/Jesse. Walt and Jesse have both stood up for the other in front of Gus. Gus sees that as something he didn't get a chance to do for his dead lover/partner.

Why else is Gus now letting Mike take Jesse under his wing?

Of course, you could say Gus has also learned from the Cartel Boss that he needs to get in between Walt and Jesse - break them up as a team - as the Cartel did to gus and his partner.

Either way, or both ways...it's all coming together.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:48 AM   #3399
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There's an obvious connection, for Gus, between his first chemist/lover and Walt.

And yes, Gus was obviously involved with Pinochet's Chilean Death Squads in some way. The reason why Gus seemed so confident in front of the Mexican boss was because he thinks of himself as untouchable - which he is - but the Mexican boss showed him he can still be "touched" without being touched.
'if he can't kill you, you'll sure as **** wish you were dead'

imo

EDIT: that parallel also goes for the hector taunting that gus is doing.
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Old 09-05-2011, 07:44 AM   #3400
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I didn't look at that moment as a clear turning point. Gus showed way too much emotion. He's not the robot people are portraying him to be and that was the whole point of this episode. Victor's killing was robotic and makes less sense given this episode. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand here.

If you viewed that flashback as a turning point, then you took this episode to mean that "Gus is a robot and here is why." That couldn't be any further from the true message, which is "Gus is and always will be a human being with emotions, despite how cartooney everyone wants him to be, and he is also really loyal."

Idk if its been mentiond but the reason gus killed victor was he was seen at the apartment by all the people remember mike asked if anyone saw him. he killed him for that reason and as a show of power to jessie and walt
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:48 AM   #3401
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grunching since the ep before last night - last nights episode kicked some serious ass, loved the gus flashback/backstory. now i will see if everyone agreed or not
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:58 AM   #3402
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Gus is probably gay, but I doubt it will ever be a big deal.

The Gus/otherguy relationship and his sadness when he died really amplifies s4e01 when he responds to Gale's death. Now we know he was fighting a lot of old and new feelings when he killed Victor. That look on his face right after he cut his throat was powerful.

Him seeing Victor's "wanted" picture was obv a reassurance that he did the right thing.

***His perfectly designed answers to the DEA questioning leads me to believe he had a man on the inside (probably one in the room) who tipped him off to what they had. He certainly could just be a legit genius and thought it up on the spot or partially in the waiting room. But the fact that his story tied in together pretty much perfectly leads me to believe he knew ahead of time what questions were going to be asked. Hank's "is Gustavo Fring your real name?" seemed to throw him a bit, and that would be because his inside guy would not necessarily have known that question would be asked. The more I think, the more certain I am that one of the 2 DEA agents in the room is on his side. Probably the boss man.

Jesse is looking more and more rational each episode, while Walt looks more and more frantic/irrational. Walt is probably going to throw a **** fit about Jesse hiding things from him soon. Jesse's doing the right thing by keeping the secrets IMO.

Very interested in seeing how Gus handles Hank. Part of me thinks he'll have to stay alive and be a thorn in their side. Part thinks they'll have to kill him and make it look like an accident in order to deal with the cartel threat.

Awesome ep.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:04 AM   #3403
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Interesting how we see now that Gus has "broken bad" over time as well
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:44 AM   #3404
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IIRC Hank's house being bugged by Mike was ordered by Saul when Walt and Skyler's marriage was breaking up and Walt wasn't really working for Gus yet. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.
I assume you meant Walt here? Hank's house was never bugged.

I do agree with whoever said that it's pretty silly for Walt and Jesse to have those kinds of conversations in Jesse's house. It's fairly likely Mike has it bugged on the off chance that they are careless enough to discuss what they're plotting for their next move.
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Because this episode strongly emphasized Gus's humanity and sense of loyalty.
having your longtime lover killed right before your eyes has a way of dehumanizing you.
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