"the house" is paulie, Z, Nic and Corey

Well they are running things yes.

The others just want to take each other out also.

It will all come down to veto.

Frank is pretty good at this game and I think he'll be able to find a way to keep himself and Bridgette safe. From what I see, the two angles he has to choose between is working to repair things with Day using all the dirt he got on Nicole last week or trying to solidify a thing with Nicole and Corey.

Victor was open telling Michelle that Tiffany told him to trust Frank but he said he talked to Paul and Paul gave him all the info of what's been going on. Victor's going to be worthless.

Yeah, he was the person I least wanted to win his way back in to the game.

if noms stay the same, they might vote out Bridgette before frank

He gets one piece of good advice to trust Frank and totally ignores it just like he ignored any logical sense since the first time he entered the game. Lost cause. Good luck being the 9th or 10th valued person in a 10 person alliance with 12 players in the game bro!

The way it's looking any other returnee would have been better as they would prolly have used their brain and joined Frank's side to even things up a bit. Instead gonna be ultra boring watching Paulie/z/nicole/corey/michelle/Paul running the house the rest of the summer picking everyone off one by one.

I wonder when someone will tell Michelle that Paul called her Buzz Lightyear. She's starting to have crush on him that may change things when she hears it. I bet bridge tells her on Bridge's way out.

Give Frank the Coup d'Etat production!!!

considering Frank is on the block, I'm not sure what else victor was supposed to do wrt him...

Well, hopefully Frank wins veto. This season will really suck without him.

I already cancelled the feeds since most of the cast is tilting to watch, though CBS gave me a free month after clicking cancel. I guess I'll stick around and hope the season can turn around/people become less annoying?

If you want to be a nit & save 5.99 just go to https://www.cbs.com/all-access/account/ & click cancel my subscription. I'm sure they give the free month to everyone who tries to cancel.

i cant remember a season ever having this many showmances/pairs. but its weird because theres also a guys vs girls thing going on, so its not entirely clear who everyone is primarily loyal to (to their showmance or their gender)

idk why frank matters so much to you guys. he has zero social/strategical game and will be voted out whenever he isnt safe. just like the first time he played

it will get more interesting once him/bridgette/victor are gone, and then the core showmances will have to start taking each other out.

The proper play in this situation for Victor would be to listen to both sides and yes both sides to death playing in the middle and not showing any cards right now. Test people and gather info and then decide which side really has his back before showing his cards. Be leaning towards Frank's side as he was told it's the only side he can trust. Then down the road when he or someone he trusts gets power can start to show his cards.

Maybe that's what he's doing but doubtful as he's said he wants to play veto and tell frank he'll take him off if he wins. Then not use veto and tell Frank "sorry bro, later!" And telling michelle that tiffany told him Frank is the only trustworthy person in the house to allign with. Why would he share that unless he has zero plans on working with Frank showing he is a dummy that still doesn't understand how this game works. He's thinking on a very short term simple thinking level of "the house wants frank and bridgette out so i'll jump on the bandwagon and be with the cool kids." It's ok to make them think that and makes it less likely he could be backdoored this week but i don't get the sense he's not being genuine the way he's talking to them.

given that from his perspective, there is a very large chance of frank going home this week, that seems like its exactly what he should be doing

any attempt to help frank right now would only screw him for this week and next week. like he basically has to think short term because hes so likely to be evicted soon. i dont see how hes doing anything wrong whatsoever based on your description of his play

you basically want him to align with someone on the block and go to war against the entire house while he has no power

that makes no sense

his best strategy is to do w/e people want and earn as much trust as possible (like paul has), and then once he has some power he can make a decision of what to do with it. right now he should not be causing any trouble

Agree with this. It could get really good in a few weeks when the core alliance has to turn on each other. It'll be interesting to see if they still allow Paulie to run the show or if they see him as the biggest threat and try to take him out first.

Also it's possible some of the sleepers start to wake up and playing the game. Someone like Michelle could be a real wild card as she appears to know the show inside and out. And James may decide he needs to make up for last season and start to make more moves. And we still have Day creating the drama for a while at least. I'm still optimistic for the season.

Why do people keep saying Michelle knows the game inside and out? Paulie literally had to explain to her how double eviction works. She has no idea how most previous houseguests played.

Frank has zero social and strategical skills?

Frank matters because he's the most capable(comp beast, intelligent, manipulative, ballsy) person to flip the house saving us from a boring and annoying rest of the summer watching Paulie and co. regime steamroll leaving little drama and intrigue.

I didn't say Victor should go to war with the house this week i said he should play the middle. Instead he has already chosen his side(the wrong side) planning on winning veto and say fu to frank after he promised to pull him down. That being said he would be much better off if he won veto and pulled Frank down as opposed to f'ing him over. As you said yourself "he's so likely to be evicted soon" so why keep things the same if you're likely to be evicted soon? You already have a target on your back so he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. It would solidify an alliance with frank and give him a chance. Both comp beasts and still both have just as likely a chance to align with others than he would have had had he not used veto on frank. As it's not a serious slap in the face to anyone as all could understand his move being that he's so low on the totem pole in the house. And as the numbers dwindle people will be forced to align with Victor and frank anyway to have a chance against the showmances.

it's called playing dumb

Have you watched? She is dumb.

He should be saying that regardless of what he actually plans on doing with the veto. He's unlikely to get picked + win anyway. If he does it's a different story. But it makes no sense to bash him for saying that to that side of the house. That is saying the right thing to the right audience.

How is Frank manipulative? In both of his seasons, if you isolate only the weeks where he wasn't safe (no hoh/no veto), what % does he actually survive? The number is very low. That is why I say he has zero social/strategic skills - it'd prob be more accurate to say his social/strategic game has a negative impact if anything. If he was just a meathead who had no clue about the game and blindly followed people while winning comps he'd be a lot better than he is now. So that speaks to just how bad his social game is. It actively puts himself in danger.

I think you're basically just evaluating him on his entertainment value. You're saying its a better show with him in the house, which is fine I guess. But that's entirely separate than calling him a halfway decent BB player, which he clearly is not.

I agree there is no reason for Victor to do anything for Frank given his current position in the game but from his convo it's pretty clear he's not strategically feeding the side in power what they want to hear. He's still clueless and never going to make a move aside from being one of the bros puppets. Of course this isn't the least bit surprising given how many times he got played his first go around.

There needs to be some kind of counter alliance for this to get interesting but no one is willing to take a shot at the core alliance. Bridgette or Davonne probably would but they won't work together and neither have the ability to recruit soldiers to join.

Michelle's idea of game talk is asking did he/she say anything about me.

I pretty much agree with all of this which is why this has to be one of the most boring seasons ever. Everyone says 16 was boring but at least there was an all time great running things so for me it was interesting watching Derrick do his thing. This season doesn't even have that. I hate twists but I am hoping someone like Bridgette or Frank or whoever will go after the showmances finds the secret room.

is that an insult?

one-third of the way into a 100-day game, doing anything else is foolish.

I believe it was said to mock her for her sunburn issue early in the season. About her looking stupid.