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02-16-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywade
So I'm wondering whether the debris is clear from the front of the couch because: 1) Nacho found and stole the money 2) Pill Guy checked for the money when he got home (and possibly moved it before the cops showed up for some reason) 3) Both.

It seemed pretty clear that nothing was in there when the police looked.
I'm leaning towards both. Nacho found and stole the money, and the pill guy cleared the area afterwards to see if the pills/money were still there, which they weren't.

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Originally Posted by Dominic
If Nacho just stole the money or pills in the wall, Pill Guys doesn't call the cops, right?

My take is that someone did steal the guy's baseball cards...and Pill Guy checked the wall to see if his stash was still there - it was - and he put it somewhere else before calling the cops.

Or, Nacho did steal the stash, trashed the place, and stole the baseball cards?? Why would he do that? To cover the pills being missing? Like it was a random robbery so it doesn't look like someone targeted only the pills/cash?

It's confusing.
Yup. I think they made it purposely confusing at this point. If just the pills/money were gone, the pill guy might assume it was Nacho, causing him to lose his connection for cheap pills.

If there was nothing in the secret area, pill guy wouldn't even both to check it. If that's the case, it's possible the clear area in front of the couch was caused by Nacho, and pill guy didn't move anything afterwards, and didn't think it looked suspicious.

If there was something in there, I assume Nacho took it. I don't think pill guy would have moved it if it was still there as he isn't that smart and probably wouldn't find a better hiding spot.

This makes me believe Nacho found it and took it. I think he took the baseball cards to to make it look like a random robbery and possibly noticed they had some value.

Pill guy is possibly thinking the cops will find whoever stole the cards. Then he can hire Mike to get the pills/money back? Just speculation and really don't have any clue. Doesn't really matter either as I'm sure we will find out in the next week or two.
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02-16-2016 , 06:24 PM
I don't think the scene was intended to be ambiguous. Here's how I interpreted it:

With the guy's flamboyant spending and lack of awareness, Nacho figured the guy would be a ripe target for a robbery. At a minimum, Nacho would find cash. Most likely pills as well. Nacho robs the place and naturally goes through his other stuff and takes the most valuable. The computer and other valuables didn't get taken simply for convenience or time reasons; everything else was more valuable.

The clear space on the couch was cleared by Pryce/Daniel himself to make room to get down on the ground and see whether Nacho had discovered his stash. He wasn't sharp enough to know to cover the area back up. It ended up being a red flag to the police to check the area around the couch.

Pryce/Daniel called the cops impulsively because he was pissed about the cards and thought they could be recovered without any connection being made to other items in the robber's possession. Seems clear he didn't think through the decision very carefully.

The only thing I find confusing is how Nacho expects it to affect his relationship with the guy going forward. Seems to me like an unnecessary risk for Nacho when he can be getting pills over and over again for the foreseeable future if things continue to go smoothly. It didn't seem like Pryce/Daniel suspected it was him, so Nacho might be in the clear, but if the plan was to steal the cash then it seems like Nacho would be one of the first suspects given the presumably very small amount of people w/ knowledge about the fact of this guy sitting on a wad of cash...though of course he has the giant Hummer in the driveway, so maybe not.

Last edited by karamazonk; 02-16-2016 at 06:32 PM.
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02-16-2016 , 06:36 PM
tbh I thought the baseball cards were totally made up and still do
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02-16-2016 , 06:39 PM
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Yup. I think they made it purposely confusing at this point. If just the pills/money were gone, the pill guy might assume it was Nacho, causing him to lose his connection for cheap pills.
Nacho probably saw the same thing that Mike did. The guy is pretty much a cop magnet now. Better to just skin that sheep rather than keep trying to sheer him. If he keeps doing business with the guy, eventually he's going to draw unwanted attention from the cops.
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02-16-2016 , 06:41 PM
Close to zero percent chance the baseball cards were made up. He wouldn't have been that upset about the cards specifically or named so many specific cards. Plus, he mentioned he had cards elsewhere in the apartment (meaning he was willing to show them to the police, meaning he was a legit card collector). He clearly cared a lot more about the cards than anything else that was taken. He didn't even seem to have an interest in recovering anything else.
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02-16-2016 , 07:13 PM
eBay prices for a 1952 rookie Topps Mickey Mantle card range from $13,000 to $134,000 right now.

Playuh has good reason to be upset that and other valuable cards are gone.

I suspect he's been investing his pill money in baseball cards as a way to hide his income. Collectibles are a good way to do that.
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02-16-2016 , 08:04 PM
Playuh guy told the cops that some cash was stolen as well but changed the subject back to the cards as soon as the cops asked how much. The cards definitely exist or he wouldn't have called the cops, he clearly didn't give a **** about the cash.
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02-16-2016 , 08:39 PM
pills and/or cash likely behind the couch
Nacho couldn't find them, but he stole the cards

i assume Playuh will be calling Saul next ep
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02-16-2016 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
pills and/or cash likely behind the couch
Nacho couldn't find them, but he stole the cards

i assume Playuh will be calling Saul next ep
This. Maybe he runs into Mike at the courthouse and Mike recommends Jimmy.
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02-16-2016 , 09:30 PM
Not the greatest episode but pretty good.

Kind of felt like this could have been the finally to season 1.
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02-16-2016 , 09:35 PM
I enjoyed the episode and am looking forward to this season quite a bit but part of me misses the light-hearted vibe of s1, as best exemplified by everything involving the Kettlemans and the early Jimmy/Mike sticker interactions. Feels like there's going to be a dark undercurrent involving everything this season, even the lighter moments like Jimmy/Kim's hustle.
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02-16-2016 , 09:47 PM
i was pretty disappointed. my expectations were sky high though. i thought season 1 was the best show of last year.

i DID like the episode, but expected better.

i got none of the BB references, since i didn't watch a lot of that show. maybe that made it worse for me.
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02-16-2016 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
eBay prices for a 1952 rookie Topps Mickey Mantle card range from $13,000 to $134,000 right now.

Playuh has good reason to be upset that and other valuable cards are gone.

I suspect he's been investing his pill money in baseball cards as a way to hide his income. Collectibles are a good way to do that.
Yeah, Nacho can probably retire off the BB card collection.
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02-16-2016 , 10:48 PM
Is the firm that Jimmy joined in Santa Fe? I think I remember that from last season. If so, it seems like that's going to be kind an annoying barrier to advancing the plot (at least from a writing perspective) since all the other characters are in Albuquerque.
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02-16-2016 , 10:52 PM
Yea that is sort of strange. It's an hour away.
Maybe he bails out pretty quick tho.
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02-16-2016 , 10:56 PM
I may be in the minority, but I enjoy all of the BB references and didn't find them forced at all. There weren't too many in S1, and the ones in this ep were kind of subtle. I didn't even get the tequila one, although I feel dumb for that now. I also bet a lot of non-hardcore BB fans didn't even remember Ken.
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02-16-2016 , 11:31 PM
My thoughts on playuh: nacho steals baseball card collection because it was in the safe so it must be valuable. Playuh checks his stash, sees its still there, hides it, then calls cops. Next episode nacho blackmails him or whatever to start trading pills for baseball cards effectively paying playuh with his own money.
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02-16-2016 , 11:49 PM
I get the feeling nacho is done dealing with playuh. This was a one last time money grab after the guy seemed so clueless flaunting his money and not keeping Mike for security. Nacho probably realizes guys like that get caught and then become rats.

I also don't find the bb Easter eggs distracting or ruining the prestige of the show. Mostly because I don't catch them and wouldn't have if I didn't watch talking Saul.
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02-17-2016 , 12:15 AM
what were some of the easter eggs aside from the douchebag stock broker?
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02-17-2016 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
what were some of the easter eggs aside from the douchebag stock broker?
Just that and the tequila as far as I could tell.
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02-17-2016 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Yea that is sort of strange. It's an hour away.
Maybe he bails out pretty quick tho.
That's what I was thinking. It makes it hard for the show to work otherwise.
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02-17-2016 , 02:30 AM
I thought it was pretty obvious that playuh was shortly going to be arrested, and having no idea what to do, calls Mike for help. From there, I'm sure Mike contacts Jimmy and talks him into defending the scumbag, thereby kicking off his scumbag defending career as Saul Goodman.
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02-17-2016 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
what were some of the easter eggs aside from the douchebag stock broker?

Apparently one or both of the cops were in BB too. A few more were discussed on the podcast today.
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02-17-2016 , 06:23 AM
Nacho decided to cut ties with Pill guy after he saw the Hummer. Robbed his house as his last act with Pill guy because he can, it actually keeps Nacho safe not having this idiot running around with all the cash.

Seemed to me like the couch was moved first, then the room trashed and the couch moved back to original place last to create the pattern on the floor. Nacho may have found the cards randomly and taken them as an after thought? Still doesn't make total sense unless he had him staked out first to know about the hiding spot. Will probably all be explained later.

Episode was great.
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02-17-2016 , 06:25 AM
I loved the tequila Easter egg but can't place Dan - he's definitely familiar but can someone remind me where he fits into BB?

My first thought after the scene at pill guys house was that Nacho or one of his goons turned the place over and found nought but the baseball cards, then pill guy has removed whatever was hidden behind the couch while failing to cover up..
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