He said that, yes. Maria Hill said he could never know what actually happened.

Ahh ok

Pilot was really bad. Actually hope it gets cancelled if there's no improvements in the next couple episodes.
Had high expectations because of how good Dollhouse was from the beginning.

lol Dollhouse was terrible and noted to death by the network at the beginning. It took a full six or seven episodes to even get to the point that it was mildly entertaining.

I think there's a good show in here. The tech twins were annoying didn't care for the cookie cutter agent, he was so forgettable I don't remember his name. I'll still give it a shot.

The thing with Coulson reminds me of a bit from William Gibson's Sprawl Trilogy, in which one character, a mercenary who helps people defect from giant corporations, is effectively killed, whereupon he is sent on "vacation" after being almost completely rebuilt from scratch.

Or he's a LMD.

Felt like the pilot didn't bring anything new or exciting which makes it a bit disappointing due to not caring about most of the characters yet. Whatever tho, will watch the series until it's cancelled most likely.

Liked the flying robot sequence as I watched a TED video on those things not to long ago.

Her monologuing is particularly cringeworthy. The opening voice over was just brutal.

I have no idea why they decided to put the show against the #1 show on TV. After a meh debut, it's not going to last long against NCIS, even though NCIS has seen it's best days.

it seems to be getting good reviews although i wasn't a fan of it. i mean it just seems exactly like fringe/heroes containing villains. its definitely not a superhero show.

Felt more like an episode of Torchwood to me (missing Cap'n Jack, though).

It wasn't horrible, and like many, I'll watch it for as long as it's on, but I hope it improves. Coulson delivered, but I always felt like he's best in 10 minute spurts in the movies, and the character will get overexposed quickly on the show.

I think the first ep had several pros, but it had a few cons that didnt work, but overall I enjoyed it.

Pros:
Coulson died and Hawaii didnt happen - or something. The mystery of his undeath should be interesting to see develop, the Whedons do long arc slow reveals like this very well
I liked Fitz and Simmons (who arent twins or whatever ppl said) - these are the characters that the Whedons do well
The general plot of the show with them recovering and controlling tech leaking out from the movies is interesting to me - Agents of SHIELD is like the janitorial staff to the famous people who are in the movies and I am interested in seeing this develop going forward, inc the season arc of Centipede
I like a show like this where everyone involved is an expert. These shows always have a token every-man who the audience can connect with.
There is a tonne of potential to mine in how a world deals with the knowledge of aliens, demi-gods, supervillains and superheroes are all real - and especially which it has rapidly learned.

Cons:
The flying car bugged me. The idea is just ok I guess and I can live with it - but the look of the CGI just didnt work.
Hacker chick isnt the lead the show is looking for - hopefully they build her up really well from what the pilot showed us.
I have this worry that every episode is going to have an entirely new gadget that they cooked up to solve the problem. This is a crutch that is very easy to lean on but could be the ultimate undoing of the show.
Whedon related shows always start slow because characters and often the universe they inhabit always have complicated interesting backstories that develop over time - this usually means that they will often not be all that great to start with but will improve. Even the extended pilot of Firefly didnt do much better than what AOS did in its normal length pilot. This is a con because the show is liable to be written off before it has chance to develop and prove itself.

This is an advantage for this show, though, because much of the "world building" has already been taken care of in the movies. We just have to get to know the show specific characters. This is ultimately what will make or break it. And it's why, at the moment, I am slightly worried.

The probable occasional big ticket cameo will be nice, but isn't going to be that important for the long term success of the series (in a narrative sense, not wrt ratings and whatnot).

One thing that will be interesting is if they use the show to introduce some characters that might be difficult to squeeze into one of the major film plots, but will eventually be important to the universe. If it's truly seamlessly integrated into the greater world with all the implications of the respective tv and film arcs travelling in both directions it could end up being great. If it just ends up being it's own self contained spinoff with very little connection to, or interaction with, the overall universe (with the exception of Coulson and the chick from Avengers), it could get very boring very quickly.

I loved it and im pretty sure that if you hated dollhouse you'll hate this show.

With joss you go in, close your eyes and enjoy the ride.

I only dislike one thing. Robin. She's terrible.

And im midly annoyed by the scientist but im sure they will fix them up eventually.

This was just a pilot, it had to be a little bit on the boring side to introduce everything to the general ******ed mass. Buffy/Angel and dollhouse's first eps were a bit boring too.

The female lead is terrible, even worse than Eliza Dushku and I didn't think that was possible.

I suppose I'll give it another episode but I'm not optimistic.

You shut your mouth! Eliza Dushku is a saint!

I'm so over hot super hacker chicks. They actually bore me at this point.

replace her with an actress like the orphan black girl and dollhouse is a hit. she is bad and should feel bad.

Ming Na, coulson, colbie were the only parts that were good. I guess I like the plane too.


Tech twins need to die asap if I'm going to continue watching this.

Maybe they'll kill one then give the other super powers. Instant origin story.

The guy can be critically injured in some battle and the girl can eat his brain Sylar style and absorb his knowledge and skills. Then she can try it (successfully) on a super and we have a season 2 baddie!!

Going to watch the show soon, not liking the reviews I'm reading thus far ;0

It was pretty meh. Give it a couple more shows and see how it goes.

I can see there being a big drop off in the general public viewing numbers between Pilot and Episode 2

die sir

Is that the guy from Old Christine? How could that be faked? That big-ass spear went right through him.

Alex missed the follow up where they said "he can never know".