Long time reader of 2+2 but never really post anything.. I want to start posting some big hands that I play.. And this one is a great way to start...
5/5 PLO live super deep...
Very long session late into the morning..was full ring all night..And prob very close to game breaking...
Everything might not be exact but this tells the story
4 handed
Stacks
SB $3200....... Not very good..calls light alot..over values hands, etc...
BB. $3500......pretty standard player..
UtG $275....... Stuck and steaming
Me Bt $4100.....who knows it's me!!!
Me 9c-Jc-kh-Ad
I bring it in for $25 everyone calls pot $100
Flop comes 10d-Qd-Kc.
SB checks
BB checks
UTG checks
Me Bt bets pot $100 with Broadway
SB calls $100
BB folds
UTG all in for about $250 total
It's on me... This is where the discussion starts..how to proceed???

Do you think you can bluff him off a King or queen high flush if it comes on turn and you pot/pot? Even stations give a ton more respect when someone else is allin and they get to see your hand + you are much more likely to having something good considering there is still a main pot. Im rambling but Id prob call against most players with Ad blocker and a King in your hand. Prob bet close to pot on any non board pairing cards including diamonds.

Charder thanks for the reply....Def like to hear your feedback..Though I elect to raise to something like $800... SB could have any hand here.. I'm thinking he will fold most.. I do have the Ad....By doing this I'm dangerously starting to commit myself and that could be a mistake..???..Or I could just flat and let the SB get there for free???.....I have made some huge lay downs already in this game....Also have picked off some big bluffs so my reads have been on point...

wouldnt hate raising less then pot, just to get him to fold two pair and build a bigger pot to bluff him when the flush comes

I'll give the next play and then gotta go to sleep....
Anyways he thinks for a while and does exactly what I didn't want to happen and ships all in or close to it...He had $125 invested and doesn't have the nut flush draw!!....And is now all in for $3200...FML!!!

Well you have the nuts...

Not sure how come you didn't want him to do that. Maybe he has a straight + set or straight + flush draw? Maybe 2 pair + flush draw.

Still very hard spot to fold. Just being so deep sucks. This is why I never play this game so deep. I just hate playing all night just to get stacked on some stupid hand.

I usually get off the table when I have 300BB in front of me. But than again i'm a nit.

lol @ "starting to commit urself" when u raise to 800, ur pretty committed then. also, u have the nuts.

Why is that so funny David??.. He's a calling station and u don't think I can get away from the hand if he just calls the $800 and a terrible turn comes and he pots???..Effective stacks were 640bb deep...Obviously that's not what happened.. Just having a fun discussion of an interesting spot...

[X] player is all in
[X] we have nutz
[] interesting spot??


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ahem, what? are you happy to get it in here or what does that mean? i think hero made a pretty big mistake by potting it here, esp having the Ad which would give so much room to maneuver later, but w/ever, now we are where we are. you should have thought about what you would do before you raised, and not afterwards. as played, i don´t think there is a good chance to fold here for logical, mathematical reasons, but there obv are reasons like br issues, not wanting to gamble late at the game while showing a decent profit, being almost certainly in an equity disadvantage spot which prob pays to call to draw for a tie with dead money in there but marginal at best etc etc

imo the biggest issue here is how comfortable is op with losing money at the end of the game, which only he himself can answer correctly.

the best thing to do in your shoes would prob be ordering a ****ing strong drink, bomb it away, say to yourself what a donk you are for potraising this flop and sigh muck your hand, take your winnings home, and feel better after 15 minutes of pain you will go through inevitably...

Guys it's very easy to talk about making right decisions and actually making them every time...This is the reason I don't love posting in forums because people are so critical and negative....Every word u say is criticized..This should be what it is (A FORUM).. For everyone to improve their game....

Anyways I end up calling...
He turns over 7d-8d-10-10... Bottom set and 8 high flush draw..
It's 5am and we are tired... I never run business but this might of been decent time to do it..I didn't and we see the turn and river...
6h-10c...for quads.....LOSER....
Other player also had flush draw which also went into some reasoning in hand..
I mean he waits all night to put it with bottom set and a baby flush draw..
If I have the straight and/or Top set with nut flush draw I play it the same way and he stacks off drawing dead.....It is what it is.....Fun convo that's all!!!..

Weird topic, we get the nuts all in vs a guy that overplays hands and we think this is an interesting spot. If the money means that much to you just RIT after seeing his hand, which is sadly the top of his range here.

I like Charder's plan of making a smallish raise to build a sidepot so we win more when a diamond peels.

Call the first time and call now as played.

I would too against a guy that could hand-read.

the 250 stack had this hand? and you think that's bad lmao

If I were to post a hand in a forum it would be because I want people to criticize every mistake... so I can get better? What did you post this hand for? Did you just want an ego stroke or something?
you do seem like a consummate professional with the self discipline of a monk and organizational habits that would dazzle someone with OCD.

I think he might be looking for a compliment sandwich.

For that to be possible he has to have enough bread to cover the meat.

easy flat/small raise

No the short stack had the flush draw.. The SB had the set...The point of the hand was the betting / raising of the very deep stacks...

Yes your right an ego stroke..Obviously the hand wasn't played well and lost..PLO is a tough game to play very deep.. The stakes are all irrelevant..But if you are good it can be very profitable.. So yea an ego stroke it is!!..(where do they come up with this stuff).. There's a big difference between analyzing a hand and pointing out a mistake , or just saying something stupid and condescending..This is the reason you see so many players that know all the slang , odds , etc..Then when it comes to pressure decisions they **** the bed...
You are supposed to learn from reading / talking etc....!!!..

I agree. "Slang terms" like odds, range, and ev aren't very important to expert players. Courage and the ability to see when someone is holding their breath is what the real pros rely on.

Hoop u know what I mean...U r just to smart to have a conversation with..

1. Trying to get in 640bb w/ the bare nuts on the flop seems like a bad idea.
2. Trying to set up the bare ace bluff at 5/5 seems like a bad idea.

So I'm flatting the flop.

But I'm fairly new to PLO and really suck at it so I'd like to hear if/why I'm wrong from good players. (Guys, seriously, I don't need to hear that I suck. I already know that. I need to hear WHY I suck. Thanks.)