Live hand at Venetian 1-2-5 PLO game. Villian is a solid player and I don't see him getting his money in bad often. The only history I have had with him was in a previous hand where he had flopped a straight which he bet pot on flop & turn. River completes a flush - I pot it and he shows his straight. I then show him 2 cards for a set. He seemed agitated but claimed there was no way I didn't have the flush.

In all his showdown hands, whenever he "potted" the river, he held the nuts.

I have $1025 starting hand. Villan covers. I am dealt dry aces in the BB and elect to just call the SB preflop raise...

Hero (BB) AA109

Preflop:
UTG Calls $5
UTG+1 Calls $5
Villan (MP) Calls $5
SB raises $25
Hero calls $25
UTG, UTG+1, Villian call

Flop ($125): A74
SB Checks
Hero bets $125
UTG & UTG + 1 folds
Villan Calls $125
SB folds

Turn ($375): 4 for board of A744
Hero bets $200
Villian Calls $200

River ($775) 4 for final board of A7444
Hero checks
Villian bets pot $775

Hero ?

bet turn bigger ! river go with your read...

Bigger turn bet, and on the river I prefer c/c or b/f over c/f.

can he be valuebetting worse? Yes.

Do I call? Yes

Do I c/c the river? Probably not.

Do I bet the river? yes halfpot.

Do I call a raise? No.

he wants to bluff you after that first hand.

I like to check/call the river, the only way i can really see him having the 4 is 4567 possibly, other than that what 4's can he call the flop with? possible 774x? but this seems unlikely.

I like to check call because i think your hand is right at the top of your precieved range. You could play this with maybe an A + FD that decides to stab the pot on the flop, and the the pairing 4 on the turn you would barrel almost every hand you bet the flop with. Villain could value bet the river against this type of holding with 77xx, or try and bluff you of a busted FD that you barreled on the turn.

Also, on the turn i dont like you bet. Id either bet bigger nearly or even full pot to make it look bluffy representing the fullhouse to get looser calls or I think i even prefer to check it to him. This may look vary strong but if he is indeed ruffled he may fall for it and try and bluff this card himself. If you do this, it makes the hand alot easier as you have to raise as c/c looks super strong on this board and if he checks back you have an easy value bet on the river, if you decide not to try to induce a bluff again.

How badly does villain want to turn over 2222 on the river when he pots and you fold? Does he ever get passed the turn with < 4xxx?

The only hand's that i would fear here would be A4xx and 74xx. If he is solid like u say does he call flop with bottom two??? I may be going broke here...... IMO

The turn bet sizing is very standard for live play, you just don't get enough value betting more against the (postflop) nits that plague the live tables.

Disagree with the thread. I check/fold river and feel good about it. He's never ever ever potting it with 77 and I don't see him calling the turn with just two pair. Even if he does have A7 or Ax spades that he's turning into a bluff 10% of the time or so, it's still a huge mistake to put more money in on the river.

Thanks for the feedback guys. Tough hand for me. I think river can't be a bet / fold as it leaves me with too big of a price to fold once I bet a reasonable amount; hence the check line.

Results were, I tanked for several minutes, and eventually turned my hand over for a read to which he winced slightly. It was just enough of a reaction for me to make the crying call. He said "you got it" and muttered something about missing a straight flush draw. As such, I was surprized that he called the turn bet on a paired board...

Without some kind of small read, I agree with those of you that said check / fold. It it too tough of a spot to normally call.

The other thing besides the small read on the end that led me to call was that he called rather quickly on turn which generally indicates a drawing hand (as opposed to him considering whether to raise in that spot with a fh)

I think you really need to bet/fold this river... tons of worse hands will call a value bet, and very few non-maniacs are going to raise a river bet as a bluff. As is you're basically just confused, since even solid live players do really weird stuff all the time, and you can't be confident in your decision either way. If you bet ~$375 on the river you can at least feel confident you're making the right pass if he comes ott.

something along these lines yeah. pretty hard for him to have a 4 here.

Good feedback. thanks!

you play it like you have his hand and he bites. anyone ever said bet/call without stone nuts?
all you can do is look at him and try to get a read if he got really really lucky but it doesnt sound like it this time