Did you mean to say preflop raise here? Because I agree that Gordo would never flat these to a preflop raise here, but I see no reason why he wouldn't flat the flop. OTOH, there are other QJTx combos he'd be very likely to flat preflop so that doesn't make a lot of sense either.

You don't like a bet 3bet all in line with TJQX on the flop?

I think the only way it matters is if you think you can sometimes check-fold. And given that you are on 4 tables HU I think you can sometimes find a fold based on timing tells.

I also think even playing only one table he is not shoving a chop as often as he should. This is based on RSA specifically.

I think once in a very rare while you could get a hero call from a hand that has blockers in it, but it would be rare from him. Still if you decide you can't check-fold then shoving has a little value. I think he never outright bluffs there.

i dunno why he'd flat your turn bet if he had the nuts (QJTx type hands) since you've got to call since you're getting the right price with any combo draws. so i think this villain probably is closer to two pair type hands with perhaps a redraw on the turn.

on the river i bet for value/range merge. i think it's unlikely that he's got QJ but perhaps a rivered bigger two pair that he might end up calling since it looks like a good place to bluff.

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Bet $1000 to get crying call from 99 or 66... I don't think these call a river shove. Hate life when he pushes but then we split too often to fold I think.

At first I was thinking this is closer to a check-fold than people say, but really we're only afraid of QTJx or Q7Tx and that's a fairly limited range. OK any Q{8,9,T,J,K} beats us but most of these don't fit the flop action. I don't think he folds to a shove when we're splitting so I don't think shoving achieves very much.

he probably had a queen high straight.. results?
I would think I would shove river because I don't think he'll be able to call two streets with the same straight when that river comes.. and if you check I don't think he'll be bluffing much. I don't know this is a tricky hand. I'm interested in what you did.

i probably meant flop raising range. still, TJQK, TJQA are id say in the minority of his range but yeah, he obviously can have that too, the only thing that puzzles me though is his turn flat. with the redraws to the nuts one would think he is pushing turn already with the nuts (pot is big enough, you are not folding anyway and might be bet/calling way worse hand?), except something like a nuts+backdoored flush (also very small part of his range). so id say it changes nothing for me, but im a fish

After thinking about the hand for a while, the river winds up actually being pretty damn villain-dependent and I don't want to do a disservice to Rsa by talking about his tendencies too much so here are just the results:


Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Rsa87 (BTN/SB): $5746.00
Hero (BB): $11593.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is BB with 8 3 8 7
Rsa87 raises to $150, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($300.00) 8 6 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $250, Rsa87 raises to $900, Hero calls $650

Turn: ($2100.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1900, Rsa87 calls $1900

River: ($5900.00) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3500, Rsa87 calls $2796 all in

Final Pot: $11492.00
Rsa87 shows Q 6 T T (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Hero shows 8 3 8 7 (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Rsa87 wins $11491.00
(Rake: $1.00)


Pretty meh all the way around but what can ya do

resmash pot button on flop. stick in in on the river

well his hand explains a lot about the line he took haha.

Why wouldn't he shove the turn if he's intending on calling for half of his stack?

Mike, what do you think he'd do if you checked the turn?

basically when you run bad you remember where they show you a better hand in spots like this (coupla 600+bb pots stick out etc), I think its pretty close but a shove is probably better vs most players most of the time but obviously villain/flow dependent

id be very surprised if he didnt check it back

The best play is to C/F river. Hand is played optimal by both players until then.

nicely put.

You don't think he's shoving the same straight as us if we check to him? You lose nearly $3k in equity if that's the situation. Although I agree there isn't much value in shoving the river.

fwiw, the river shove is not for value purposes; at best, it is a classic merge, at worst, it is a fairly poor bluff

I think its fine since he fold the chop alot. And I dont think he call worse ever.

If not u absolutely have to c/f vs him