Hand 1: Effective stacks 3500. button straddle to 20. 2 limps, I make it 100 in CO w/ A J 5 5. button (straddle) calls. both blinds and ALL limpers call (yes live PLO at the bike is this good)

Flop: A J 9 check to me I bet 400 button calls all else fold. Button is a snug tag pro.

Turn: 3 I bet $1000, button tank ships...can I ever call here?

Hand 2: effective stacks 3500. Folded to button, a tough tag pro
, who raises to 40, i call in BB w/ 89TQ .

Flop: J T 4 , I check pro bets 80, his c-bet here seems to be 90%+ I CR to 240 he calls.

Turn: K I lead 500 he flats.

River: 6 I lead 750 he tank raises $1000. can I ever call here?

Thanks for thoughts on every street! I can provide a lot of other background info if needed.

not a massive fan of much about hand 2 after preflop.

I chose to cr because his button open range is too large and his c-bet % too hi in my opinion. hes one of the better players in this game and is exploiting obvious weaknesses of avg. opponents but i felt he was making himself exploitable to observant opponents.

is there such a thing as too large an opening range in deepish plo if youre a competent player? flop c/r is obv reasonable but i personally think this plays a little better to c/c even vs his presumably weaker than avg betting range, if only to avoid spots like this where we have the second nuts but are pretty rarely getting paid except if he convinces himself we c/r'd flop with like QQJx hoping our blockers became applicable.

1st hand you have to call turn, but preflop is awful (your hand is just very weak, it plays bad both multiway and heads-up, you are screwed if it gets squeezed etc etc).

2nd hand - what validand notinuse said.

fold hand 1, this is set + redraw like 90% from experience

call hand 2 coz u r wide in this spot and can have bluffs to any competent player while ur hand can beat bluffs, ur line also induces bluffs from weak 2pairs+fd type hands. don't expect to be good too often tho

also basing it on that you have the image of a lagtard squeezing AJ55s from CO multiway

hand 1 is a terrible open that will lose you significant amounts of money over the long run making 2nd best hands vs sets or draws.

Hand 2 i dont think most live pros have the nerve to bluff raise so small on the river so you're usually toast here

in general yes, but do you see how loose passive this game plays? everyone just limp calls. is there no value in taking this button from a tough pro? and heaving everyone check to us on the flop getting a killer free card a lot.

if i pushed it too far here how far can I push it AcJc88?

seems scrudge disagrees w/you.

If we put a bunch of realistic double flush draw hands in his range we become a flip to his range, no?

once he flats the c/r dont we get to win this pot barreling a lot of runouts?

i think the run outs we most frequently win the pot on are the run outs where we have the best hand anyway.

call hand 1 fold hand 2

these hands you post are always so funny...MOAR PLZ

In hand 2, how many players are really going to flat the turn with the nuts with a flush draw on board and when your line looks like you could easily have a set....Guess it's player dependent. That's just my thoughts, but I don't consider myself a good player anyway so I could be totally wrong. I think he has the same hand or blockers often enough to justify calling the $1000. You only need to be right like 30% of the time to make it a call.

Plus, I'm guessing because of your CR on the flop he assumes you don't have a lot of AQxx in your range, especially if he is holding KK or QQ... I would call.

Hand 1 pf raise is awful I think. Button is too deep + he's straddled

Hand 1 is a major leak pre - I might limp in for 20 to try to make nut flush but probably fold to aggressive button.

Hand 2 has to be nuts most of the time unless he has blockers. Seems like a standard fold.

Hand1:
Having the initiative in a multi-way plo pot is not worth as much as some other games. People tend to bet their hand more often. As said previously, I might try to limp in with AJ55, but inflating the pot is pretty bad. I say inflating the pot vs winning the pot, cuz when is the last time you won the pot pre over multiple limpers by raising. Fold equity is close to zero for this hand.

Hand 2:
To call, u pretty much have hope that is he using blockers. This is full ring plo, so much more likely that someone makes the nuts.

Your hand selection is all out of place. Call hand 1. Fold pre hand 2.

Your image is pretty important here. Especially in hand2 this is like a 90% image decision, are you considered a player that likes to make big laydowns or big calls. Furthermore, if you're stuck and even a tiny bit tilty, I doubt any pro is going to try to bluff river in this spot vs. you. If you're ready to lock up a win, villains might be more inclined to bluff you here since it's hard for you to have the nuts.

The hand combinatorics in Fraggle's post are good but in my experience in this river spot it's like 90% image (both yours and opponents), 10% hand combos. Especially in live PLO where players- even the good ones- are playing closer to A4C than online.