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Strong bluffing turn vs nit Strong bluffing turn vs nit

08-21-2016 , 01:30 PM
Game is 2/5/10 villain is tight asian nit playing a mostly fit or fold game. Effective stacks are 1500. Folds to villain in MP who pots to $40, CO calls and I call OTB with QJJ9, all blinds fold.

Pot is $140, flop comes out: 98A

Villain bets $140, CO folds, I call.

Pot $420
Turn 7
Villain checks
Hero ???

This looks like a pretty great spot to make a big play. If we pot turn we have $600 left on river in a $1260 pot, so I think a smaller bet would be better. Hero bets $320 and jams all-in on all non-pair non-spade rivers?
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08-21-2016 , 02:33 PM
Book will say jam spades

Will struggle to find a strat where this hand will not jam missed river spades
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08-21-2016 , 02:36 PM
pot pre....turn just matters how tight his potting range is OTF....either way I'd prob barrel away as this is the nut card for your range
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08-21-2016 , 09:10 PM
i pot pre, fold flop, as played bet 350 on turn
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08-21-2016 , 11:56 PM
Pot pre, bet turn / bet river if unpaired obv


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08-22-2016 , 03:11 AM
I don't think we need to bet pot to bluff, and its prob better not too as villain may c/r the top of his range. Calling this flop with the intention of stealing seems a bit optimistic against the villain described, I'd wait for a better sport.
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08-22-2016 , 03:18 PM
Can anyone saying to 3bet pre explain why? I'm new to PLO, and can only think that a 3bet OTB would be to make the blinds fold dominating hands, but then the opener and CO are never folding and we get into extremely bad spots more often than not. If you 3bet pre do you just b/f the flop and double barrel equity turns?
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08-22-2016 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GameTheoryOptimal
Can anyone saying to 3bet pre explain why? I'm new to PLO, and can only think that a 3bet OTB would be to make the blinds fold dominating hands, but then the opener and CO are never folding and we get into extremely bad spots more often than not. If you 3bet pre do you just b/f the flop and double barrel equity turns?
MP can have tons of hands he is raise folding, AKQx,AJTx,KK64ss etc and if he has AA and 4b, we can just call. If our hand was ss I would always just call and not sq.

As played I would peel flop 100% even vs psb, I would bet something around 300ish OTT and bet any blank and a spade which doesnt complete a straight or a full house. He is not gonna have many bd spades. bc it has to be very specific, TP+gs+spades (which he is likely to chr the turn w,for example AQT4ss) or 98w spades. but that often has a straight on the turn, so I am comfortable jamming those river cards.
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09-06-2016 , 11:19 PM
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09-07-2016 , 05:32 PM
How nitty is our nit? We will be risking 1500 to win about 600. We will be offering nit 900 to 3000 on the river.

If he is nitty enough and we have been targeting this player for this type of a play yeah its a good time to do it. 350 turn.

Last edited by SaveTheWhales; 09-07-2016 at 05:34 PM. Reason: unbelievably basic math
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09-08-2016 , 09:07 PM
You're 3 betting PF because your starting hand is really good and you want to isolate the original PF raiser with position on him. You say this villain is a nit which means to me he strictly plays the nuts and is very straight forward. Therefore, in my opinion, villain probably has something like AKxx, AQxx, AKQx for example. It's unlikely he has JTxx since you have 2 jacks, or that he has T986, T976, or 9865 because a nit who made his straight, has a or has a spade draw would pot the turn. If a nit spikes a straight on the turn with that second spade, he's potting because nits are always worrying about monsters under the bed! HAHAHA. Anyway, I'm thinking he paired his Ace, potted the flop hoping you'd fold, and then when the turn came he saw the straight and shutdown. That's something a nit would do. Therefore, it's worth a $350-375 sized bet on the turn to get him to fold.

AC
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09-11-2016 , 02:22 AM
Pot pre pot pot pot
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09-14-2016 , 11:48 AM
Go for it! You are freerolling your bluffs since there are two 9 on the board; showdown your hand and you split the pot.
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