Late in the night 4 Handed 5/5 game with a $10 straddle UTG, $20 Double Straddle on the button. Villain 1 is also a pro, who is just learning PLO but has the basics down pretty well. Villain 2 is a pro who I am good friends with over the years and is a very solid PLO player.

Hero (2200) Straddles the button for $20.
Villain I (1600) in SB calls $20
Villain II (2500) in BB raises $80
UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Hero Q877

Flop Q107 ($320)
Villain I checks
Villain II leads out $300
UTG folds
Hero calls $300.
Villain I calls $300.

Turn 4($1220)

Villain I checks.
Villain II bets out $500
Hero Calls $500.
Villain I re-raises all in to $1220.
Villian II calls the allin.

Hero ????


I'm putting Villain II on a combo draw, most likely the nut flush draw with a wrap. Villain I however has the ability to get it in bad and make wacky plays, but so far throughout the night hasn't done anything too stupid. I feel like at the minimum someone has at least a set of 10s and I'm drawing slim. I feel like this almost always a fold in this spot especially when Villain I ships all in after a bet and a call.

Thoughts?

fold pre

raise flop

hero goes all in

why would you fold it is $720 more to win like a million bucks

You should never be calling the turn as played, fold or ship it, having started with a call I still think you are commited to calling it off

With you calling the turn v1 can push some hands that would otherwise call because of the extra money in the pot

Preflop would be a fairly standard fold, it is tough to get away from a bigger set on this board texture

If V2 had you beat he would raise again on this super draw heavy board not try to give you great odds to crack him in this massive pot. V1 might have you beat but there is so much money in the pot that it is not really a concern. You are getting 6:1 for the main and are almost certainly a nice favourite for the $1200 side pot that will be created once u push.

I also don't really see V1 closing the action with a call on the flop with a higher set either. why would you give free cards when half the deck beat you? Obviously people can be pretty irrational but I'd say 95%+ of the time if someone has QQQ or TTT in that spot they are going to keep raising.

I ended up folding the hand.

Villain I had top 2 and a straight draw.
Villian II had the nut flush draw and a wrap.

They run it twice, first board bricks out and two pair is good. Second board comes a flush and they chop my money.

Villain I proceeds to explain to me...in detail...how he made a great play. Not sure what was more tilting.

Agree, don't understand how you are ever folding to that turn ship as played. lulwat

You're getting 6:1 to call the all-in, how can you fold here?

Neither one of their lines is congruent with a higher set. Just look through the hand. It should be pretty obvious.

Is Villain 1 really check/calling here with a higher set when he can simply raise and get his entire stack in? With a set and the option to go all-in on the flop, why would he instead wait to see the turn? That doesn't make sense.

Villain 1 does not have a set.

What about villain 2?

Villain 2 bets 40% pot here at SPR 1.5 on one of the best turns possible for a set. Why would he do this with a set? Well, he wouldn't because it makes no sense. If he had a set, he would pot it.

Then when Villain 1 goes all-in, Villain 2 elects to just call instead of going all-in. This is clearly indicative of a draw and not a set.

Villain 2 does not have a set.

In the hand, both villains basically announced that they didn't have a higher set and that 77 was the effective nuts, and somehow you managed to ignore this and fold the effective nuts getting 6:1.

Your turn fold was terrible. I'm sorry, but there's really no way to put it gently.

As to how to play the hand, after Villain 2 bet $500 on the turn, you already have enough information to know that your hand is best and so you should've just jammed yourself instead of calling and giving both players a chance to draw cheaply.

Lol wut?