agree he is never bluffing, but live fish has lots of underfulls in his range.

unless he came straight from a 1/2 NL game this just isn't true

it's weird that all you internet guys think the live fish has a wider value range than online fish do, when the exact opposite is true

i used to play live every week, at least twice per week... not playing nowadays btw.

im sure fish can have 655x.

brazilian fish are a different breed

When I called, I believed he had 555 in his value range. But really, I just don't know. Maybe he has half the combos, + BTN could have folded those hands and the guy to my left could have those as well.

So I am not sure how many combos of each hand to consider. I am also not sure what to make of the guy to my right's call on the flop. He would barely have 1/2 pot on the turn.

F@ck, might as well do the math now. I am going to give him 1/3 of the 555s, 1/3 of the 777s, 1/3 the 85s, 1/2 the 89s and all of the 999s.

So, I beat 3 and loose to 6 out of 9 combos. 33% equity and I'm getting 3:1 on my money.

Interesting, if you give him all combos of the underfulls its a good call. If it is only 85+, it is a bad call.

A lot of the live fish I've played with will also just pot the river with ANY full in that spot having "got there." Some obviously don't but there are quite a few that would without really thinking about it. (No Brazilian fish).

^^ Well, any full is a pretty clear value bet especially when hes only got 700 left.

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ahhh dammit i misread river. i thought he had $700 left after the pot. carry on.

I was at the table for this hand and your reads on villain are wrong - he is only potting nuts multiway there, maybe top set if everyone has checked to him and he has a blocker. When the turn came a 9 and he is still able to check/call, he has to have a big set or nuts because 2 players are in - he's folding out small straights and bad sets. I've played a lot with Scott and was fairly sure he had 699x when he potted into you. It's a hero fold and could be wrong but I doubt Scott will ever get out of line with you oop because of your perceived image.

Villain's stats are probably 24/8/4 with a pretty low AF - he's mostly nut peddling with rare spazzing but never in this type of spot. I've actually heard villain ask someone why they would bluff him out of a dry side pot (making my read pretty easy) and get upset.

Pretty easy fold
If he bets smaller u can call

This is reasonable, perhaps a little too reasonable. Besides one's obvious inclination towards botany, I choose the title for a reason.

I, and therefore, all of you know he has ~700 left. But I very much doubt villain had more of a clue than 500-1500.

And he didn't care. He was betting as much as he could or all of it.

That being said, my hand looks so much like a straight, how often can I call a river bet like that?

I am with you CB, any full if he has it is a reasonable value bet.

Your stats are pretty reasonable but I am not so sure about the low aggression. I also think that his flop range is irrelevant to the hand.

My hand is never folding for one bet. And even if his range is only straights and top set, it doesn't mean than he cant have 9655 or 4677 (I also think your range for villain's turn C/C is too tight).

What I think it comes down to is a "gut reaction to how he bet the river" combined with the fact that he is never bluffing.

And if you weight his holdings toward the top of a range composed of 55+, which again, I think is reasonable given how he bet it...I guess it is a fold. (And LOL at the nut-peddling).

His flop range is crucial to this hand as he is able to continue the turn despite loving the flop and getting a horrible turn. The hand was not straddled and was $35 pre. It played out like this.

Flop was 7 ways.

Flop ($35): 578r. Checks to Villain who pots 35, you call, hijack calls.

Turn ($140) 5789r. Villain checks, you pot 140, cutoff shoves 260 which doesn't open it to you, Villains flats, you flat.

River ($920) 57898. Villain snap "pots" 700.

Villain is not stacking off light in limper pot. I think his flop range is very polarized. 69xx, 9TJx, 886x, 889x, 779T, 4677, hands like that. Heavily weighted towards 69xx.

Which of these hands can continue on the turn when two players love it? 69xx has to fold, 9TJ keeps betting. Why is he overcalling with 55 or 77, to make an underfull? Scott may be a mediocre player but he's not going to stack off in a $35 pot.

His range is loaded with 99. I actually whispered to the guy on my left as you were thinking that Scott has to have 699x. It wasn't a soul read, it was all that was left from his flop and turn action.

You're asking online beasts with deep leveling and meta-game to analyze an ABC player who is just trying to cooler you, of course they'll tell you to snap.

Fold the flop.
Bet 130 in stead of 140 on the turn.

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I am certain I remembered the hand correctly. It was 10handed for $10 pre and the pot was $100 on the flop. Villain potted it for 100 with a black chip. I called, next guy calls, BTN and everyone else fold.

I am also certain I bet 3/4 pot, or 300 into 400 on the turn. I am certain the guy to my left called for less which was about $230.

Ha, and I will wager a black chip that I am right about the action and you are wrong...we can ask villain or someone if you like.

My point about saying his fop range doesn't matter is that he has a full house on the river (I think he calls the turn wider than you think he does). IMO there are "lots" of hands that get villain to the river that are not 996x.

But I feel the soul read, I should have done more so. I think my gut was to fold but my odds were so good and I was like, I have the nuts...who folds this?


And, tbh this post isn't really about getting everyone's analysis here. Though, I do appreciate it. I thought it was an interesting hand and a good one to share. I can analyze the **** out of it alone to my satisfaction (you are right, I would say villain is pretty ABC).

Pot it preflop!!!

I'd bet the flop when it's checked to me and as played just fold the flop I think facing a pot bet and more players to act.

River getting these odds and the possibility of worse value shoves (although I do agree that live players aren't just snap shoving under fulls every time) I would never fold. Not the happiest call ever either though.

Looks like I misread the flop action and you were bet into.

when i first read thread thought it was 2010

yup he could pot wit h a8,8k,8q etc

just a cooler bud if it's a deeper situation it's a different ballgame

ok enough already...what did he table?

996x

My guess is the guy potted here with 55 b/c he was merely drawing to a house on the turn thinking he was up against two straights.

So maybe the poster is upset the guy put him in a tricky spot with a low boat. Maybe the poster folded and saw 55 and threw up in his mouth...

Flop call is absolutely terrible 10-ways. You should never be continuing with anything other than top set or the nut straight with 10 people and someone potting into you. River sounds like it's pretty open to discussion as to exactly what kind of player villain was, but if he's wide enough on the flop for it to be only a minor mistake to call there, then you have to call the river.