Hi,

i played villain a bit HU before (6max table) - he loves to 3bet wide in generell but anyway: Not much to talk about pre i think.

What you do on flop - just pot it and go from there ? Assuming i have like 50ish% equity against his range i doubt i can check it down and realise my equity 60ish% of the time to get same ev of jamming flop? What you guys think. What would you do if someone checks to you on that flop given action (with air,Kx, straight draw)?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $5(BB) On Game
SB ($537)
BB ($575)
UTG ($502)
Hero ($1,051)
BTN ($705)

Dealt to Hero A 8 A 2

fold, Hero raises to $20, BTN raises to $70, fold, fold, Hero raises to $220, BTN calls $150

FLOP ($450) K 8 5

Hero has roughly 1 psb left.

potting it is definitely the simple option, i would imagine he folds often enough to show a profit, your 8 blocker cuts down on his 2pr combos and he prob isnt 3betting many 88/55's. depends somewhat on how wide your 4b range is gonna be in this spot since the wider it is, the tougher balancing potting this flop is going to be whilst not playing some of your range in a suboptimal way. then again, i guess that only matters if your opponent picks up on it, and theres only so many times youre gonna be in a similar enough situation for even your observant opponents to detect a reliable pattern.

alternative lines depend on further knowledge of your opponent, against the bluffhappy types you can consider crai, against the fit or fold types you can bet small/give up, against people you think will float you super wide you can bet small and barrel some turns.

as to your "what would you do?" question, again it totally depends on specific reads/history. Assuming a total unknown, id imagine betting $120 or so with almost my whole range (assuming im not 3b a ridiculous amount) wouldnt work out too badly for me over the long run.

Thanks for the long answer in first place!

I don´t know this guy much at all - he doesn´t know me either - i don´t play in the games often at all so i don´t put much weight on balancing in generell.

"Assuming a total unknown, id imagine betting $120 or so with almost my whole range..." - How do you proceed on turn?

impossible to give a comprehensive turn plan given all possible turn cards and all my possible hands, but given that my opponents 4bpf/chkcall that flop range crushes my 3bpf/stab at that flop range, it doesnt seem like a good situation in which to have a particularly high bluffing frequency.

b/f $150.....

what about a check call? looks mighty strong, if he bets small, he is gonna shut down on almost all turns if he doesnt have a flush, and if he pots it, well, decision time, but it still is a better option than just going ahead and potting it imo.
i agree with validand notinuse though, just bringing in the c/c into the discussion.

We know that potting is +ev for sure so question is if we can make a better play (avoid making mistake) or give our opponent the chance to make a mistake because i assume he is playing nearly perfect against my pot bet on flop - f.e. stab the flop with air or float light on flop and bluff turn (we c/c turn).

I don´t know any of the tendencies of my opponent but i know that my range is heavyly weighted towards AA i´d say - at least my perceived range and i doubt i ever 4bet that wide that thats not the case on these type of flops (monoton) - so my hand is what it looks like mostly and i hardly can do anything about that besides 4betting wide pre (with hands that have no real equity edge often) to show up with more hands outside my perceived range.

Sorry i don´t understand what you mean? You mean villain will stab flop and give up turn in ur opinion?

not really a fan of c/c flop unless you have extremely good control over your oppt - as in, puppet on a string level of control - otherwise i think there are a number of potential downsides (he stabs flop chks back turn and makes a hand he heros with on riv, or he stabs flop and barrels turn, or he just chks back flop but then turns a hand he wont fold where he would have folded flop had we bet) vs only one relatively small upside (the value we gain from him stabbing flop with a hand he would otherwise have folded, which he then chks back turn with and doesnt call a riv jam).

tizzl, i mean that if im the villain in this hand, you chk flop to me, i bet 120 and you call, then you're getting to the turn with a much much stronger range than i am, and because of that the frequency with which i should be barreling should be pretty low.

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You're never going to fold at this point. The question is, do you want villain to potentially fold or do you want to induce a bet where villain may have the best hand anyway, or draw out.

I chose option A. Villain may already have the best hand, but they also may call with the worst. Don't check and don't bet light, your villain may make a bad play that convinces you to fold, which makes it a good play. It's like a bare ace bluff but with at least some backup and some fold equity.

It would be a sin to let him get a pluck for free with just a pair of kings.

go all in and colect $450 pot. he is folding a LOT. and sometimes they call w KQJT... lol true.

Got to push all the way.