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Old 07-29-2012, 07:50 AM   #1
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plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

Villain is solid TAG. Views me as solid too. I think turncall is probably slightly loosing if I play rivers honestly but I thought I can bluffshove spades and A's.
I dont wanna bluff 9's when two flushdraws miss even with blockers but I think especially spades should smash me.

Is the plan good or am I just making my turncall even worse by having a spewplan for rivers? Do you herocall me on this river with like KQxx?



Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $870.70
Hero (SB): $580.95
BB: $1,006.20

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has J J A 7

fold, Hero raises to $12.00, BB calls $8.00

Flop: ($24.00, 2 players) K Q 2
Hero bets $18.00, BB calls $18.00

Turn: ($60.00, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $48.00, BB raises to $204.00, Hero calls $156.00

River: ($468.00, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $346.95
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:37 AM   #2
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

i`d check turn....not sure though
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:12 PM   #3
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

I don't mind it, his range should be way more valuehand heavy than draw heavy here
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:14 PM   #4
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

I approve.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:22 PM   #5
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

i wouldnt bluff offsuit straight cards
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:21 PM   #6
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

i like the play except if the opponent is a good player instead of shoving i would bet a little less than my whole stack just because more likely he calls off a shove. flop and turn bet are good and necessary for 3 handed play
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

seems standard to bet any suits otr.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:32 AM   #8
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

I would ship any suit otr + most obvious straight cards A and 9.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:34 AM   #9
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Re: plo400 - ~150bb I make marginal (?) call on turn to bluff rivers

on the plus side, your line looks pretty credible and i dont think you get hero'd by KQxx often at all. on the minus side, his turn semibluff raise range almost always includes a flush draw and you block his club combos a bunch more than his spades. also, (admittedly this is principally a theoretical drawback) youre going to be bluffing more rivers than youll be valuebetting whilst laying oppt a little over 2-1.
ultimately it depends on how you construct his flop flat/turn raise range - the more you weight it towards made hands, the better your plan becomes. fwiw i think that - given your blockers to his semibluff range/the texture of the flop making it more likely he'd flat some made hands - your river plan as a whole, and jamming this card in particular, will both show a reasonable if not enormous profit
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