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Old 07-24-2017, 03:41 AM   #76
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Re: PLO boom still to come according to JNandez

Social ineptitude is the problem. Asking your average young grinder to be engaging may not be natural behaviours that are well practiced. Tech just amplifies this in a person. Poker room has to adapt to cultural shifts or there will be a dropping off point in its success.

I'm probably more guilty than tech use of anyone at bellagio this summer (had multiple iPads running at some points) but I make sure to entertain those that it would benefit for me to entertain. Letting VIPs sweat hands, getting them talking about things that they enjoy, proposing small side/props, etc (let fish swipe for you on tinder if they comment on it. They have a blast)

I don't think people who played with me would be bothered or say that they had a negative experience playing with me
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Old 07-24-2017, 04:27 AM   #77
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^ I don't care about headphones as much as I do about tech at the table. Don't understand why casinos still allow phones, laptops, tablets or anything else of the sort. It might be annoying for the floor staff to enforce, but the benefit to the players and the house outweighs that many fold.
This.

I've stated this for a long time in conversations around 2p2 and in my own blog. I wouldn't say I'm 'the authority' on live poker and high stakes live poker (trynhit for instance would be more of one) but I've played for a long time in many cities and poker rooms throughout the world. Tech kills games.

I wouldn't ban the use of iPhones because VIPs often like to use their phones at the table but I think making people have to stand up for prolonged use makes sense.

Ipads though and laptops etc at the tables should 100% be banned to generate action and to be fair to the gameplay and participation of the games. People playing PokerMaster etc at the table they create a bad environment and slow game pace (sure some will argue they don't, that they multitask well etc), however overall it's true. Plus it looks bad to VIPs, they come to play and have fun, dust some money etc. They're, i'm sure, already aware they're sitting with mainly pro's. They enjoy the challenge. If I'm a VIP though and I see a young pro sat with 2 ipads, playing poker on them, whilst he's meant to be in a game with me, well it'd just be totally off putting, for obvious reasons.

I think if you're willing to travel around and appreciate that's what is required to find the best spots then live plo is very much alive and well.
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Old 07-24-2017, 05:16 AM   #78
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Doorbread, you basically are the only one who didnt slow down the game tho and still interact with the VIPs, and you act fast... so often you just look up from pokermaster and bet pot so you would not slow down the game.

Many others were slow as **** and on top give no action.

Im all for listening to 1 earbud in (altho i never do... since we ban headphones in aust lol) but the big chunky headphone pro who give no action is just so bad for games
I get tilted losing to them... i cant think how the vips feel
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Old 07-24-2017, 11:59 AM   #79
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Only Aussie at the table?
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Old 07-24-2017, 08:12 PM   #80
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All the live distractions/tech need to go. People who are reading books play less hands. People who are playing games on their phones play less hands. People who are watching movies on tablets play less hands.

I got called to my seat today. As I walk over, seat one is reading a book, seat two is playing Candy Crush on phone and seat three is watching Game of Thrones on tablet. WTF.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:47 PM   #81
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Everyone always talks about the "young sunglasses and hoody types killing the games" from my experience some of the most miserable people at the table are the 40 year old bitter ass washed up semi pros who are breaking even/losers and hate life/ hate young guns are the ones killing the mood.

The wealthy fish like playing with a young gun that gives action/ bluffs a lot more then they do with a total nit, because they enjoy the feeling the of catching a bluff more then anything else.
I thought people were talking about the young sunglasses and hoody nits who go back to playing Candy Crush or Clash of Clans in between folding with a tight preflop range. I can multi-task and play a hand, play a game on my phone, hold a conversation, and play attention to the football game at the same time.

Inducing bitter ass old dudes to whine (more than usual) is one of the joys of playing PLO live. The holy grail, however, is making one of those young hoody nits playing above their bankroll cry at the table because you sucked out on them.
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Old 07-30-2017, 08:49 PM   #82
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All the live distractions/tech need to go. People who are reading books play less hands. People who are playing games on their phones play less hands. People who are watching movies on tablets play less hands.

I got called to my seat today. As I walk over, seat one is reading a book, seat two is playing Candy Crush on phone and seat three is watching Game of Thrones on tablet. WTF.
Try talking to the people and annoying the crap out of them if they won't talk back. Ask seat two what level he is on. If seat three is watching last season, give out some spoilers.
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Old 07-31-2017, 02:29 PM   #83
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Try talking to the people and annoying the crap out of them if they won't talk back. Ask seat two what level he is on. If seat three is watching last season, give out some spoilers.
This is what I do. It mostly works. The hardcore nits will still nit it up with their tablets but the casual phone users who are just texting and chatting with friends to pass the time, (which I'm guilty of when the table is boring) will put their phones away and engage. Last night the worst movie watching nit at the table got crushed for like 800bb. It was awesome.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:01 PM   #84
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Re: PLO boom still to come according to JNandez

SMH... Posts like "PLO will never make traction/be popular" are so out of touch with reality. Once upon a time, stud was the game. 5-card draw was the game. Now, NLH is the game. To think NLH will be 'the game' forever is just delusional.

Seriously, go to a big casino on a Friday/Saturday night, the best games are ALWAYS PLO games. Gamblers LOVE PLO. Drunk people LOVE PLO. People that are stuck that know how to play PLO will play PLO over NLH.

The problem comes when we talk barrier to entry, IE the buyin is a lot for rec players. Any rec player can buy in to their 1/2 or 1/3 NLH for $100 or $200. But sitting down at 1/2/5 PLO games with $200 is nothing, when everybody else is sitting with $500-$2K. It's intimidating for rec players. Plus, it's very easy to lose stacks repeatedly at PLO while making the 'best play' --> discouraging rec players if they need another $500 to rebuy.

The other problem comes when we talk personality at the table. Gamblers are there to have fun. Rec players want to have fun. Drunk people want to have fun. All these stone-faced sore loser a$$holes at live tables fk up the game for everybody. Nobody wants to play with a depressed idiot.

It's possible PLO gets even more popular. Casinos need to start introducing low-limit games like 1/1 or 1/2 PLO, and yes, like Joey said, we need High Stakes Poker to show PLO games.
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