Hi,

never played him but saw him around on that site so assume he is a reg - usually a 6max reg that don´t mind playing a bit HU to start tables...

No history/reads, very early in the match...i will post my thoughts afterwards to to get "clean" answers at the beginning...

$3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
2 Players
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Stacks:
SB ($656) 109bb
tizzl (BB) ($648) 108bb

Pre-Flop: ($9, 2 players) tizzl is BB J 9 Q J
SB raises to $18, tizzl raises to $54, SB calls $36

Flop: 4 7 Q ($108, 2 players)
tizzl bets $60, SB calls $60

Turn: A ($228, 2 players)
tizzl has 534$ behind

Questions:

1.pre (cold call vs 3bet)
2. cbet vs c/c flop
3. bet turn vs check
4. based on 3 - whats ur river plan

Tizzl

1. depends a lot by the ranges he opens (100%? 70%?) and how he reacts (fold the bottom range? 4bet also not-AAxx hands?). Overall it can't be bad 3bet this pretty good hand against a wide hu range
2. cbet
3. b/c
4. shove?

What sizing do you wanna bet on turn? I have a hard time seeing many draws we can ship so we basically look at Aces up or Tp+something good imo? So unless we bet really big i am not sure if we can call it of..on flipside turn makes board super drawy so any smallish size looks really much like a draw?

ok the main problem is that IMO c/c this hand OTT sucks a bit; so we're "forced" to bet. But also when we make it half, how can we fold to a shove? BTW betting big is what u would do with the stronger part of your range, so go for it.

Im thinking:

3b pre is fine, but wouldnt hate just calling.

Cb flop is much easier than c/c (we kinda have to act in the dark if we c/c and a bet/bet/bet line is easier to balance)
What is our plan if we c/c flop? to c/r a lot of turns, to c/c a lot of turns or what?

I like betting big on turn. It sucks to bet 120 and get a shove (if we plan on folding wich i think we should)
I think I make it 170-190/call on turn maybe just pot/call
The downside of my "plan" is that it makes bluffing pretty expensive on the turn (if we VB and bluff same size which we do, right?)
And I dont like c/r this turn because Villain is prob going to ch back many draws or Q*** that might fold to a big bet

Im not totally sure about the river play but my thoughts are:
If I bet big on turn and Villain just calls Ill shove/bet big blanks
If diamond hits Ill c/f
If club hits Ill shove/bet big 60% of the time and ch/call 40% of the time
If Villain is the type that calls big turn bet w diamond draw and bluffs clubs Ill ch/call club rivers close to 100%

This is one of my first posts in here so please dont be too hard on me if im way off

Villain chooses not to 4-betting pre so we can frequently rule out most combos of big AAxx hands (room for the occasional AAxxr?), monster rundowns (789T+) and the high card rundowns (AKQ9) which you have blockers to. Thus we can weigh his flop continuation range more towards AT84s / AQ63s type of hands which on the flop would hold pair+weak draw which can't stand a 3-bet AI (hands which improve significantly on the Ac turn). We also include an amount of middling cards which have pair+bd draws such as 889Ts that villain flats with which can now fold the turn unless they pick up the dominated club draw.

When he flats the flop we can eliminate middling rundowns such as 568dd (50% against) and 77xx often enough (QQ and 44 are far less likely due to card elimination and high card distribution in 3-bet pots). This makes me more likely to weigh his range towards Axxx hands with or without weak flushes which turn 2p+

I'd bet around 140 (folding to a raise) and jam PSB (~$400 behind) on most completing rivers for all the times you'll show up with QQxx and the NFD/KJT wrap in the future.


Hope that sounds reasonable...

1. Id 3bet this the vast majority of the time.

2. w.e. it doesnt matter how you play flop so long as you are balance and dont do the same thing every time.

3. bet more than 174 on the turn

4. ship every river except 3d or 8d

If you bet turn and he calls, I think betting blank rivers is really bad. If he just calls turn, his hand's going to look so drawy that if he does end up with two pair on the river, he's going to have to call you pretty much 100%. An ace isn't going to be much of his range, but I don't even think he'll fold that. If say a 2 of spades comes off on the river, I'd check/fold against someone whose game I respect enough that I'd expect them to know we have showdown value when we check, and would check/call against someone fishy.

As for the turn, I don't have a lot of answers. Was hoping someone else would have a good answer there. Seems like bet/calling's the "easy" way to play it, but I'm not really sure how +EV it is. We're gonna get shoved on quite a bit, and when that happens we're going to be in one of those awful spots where it's almost neutral EV between calling and folding. Would be helpful to have a better read on villain's tendencies, but it's still a tough spot. I could see a good argument for any line other than CRing.

dude this is so silly

You cant CC and he ha to have it to be able to call you.

iggy nailed it. If you jam all blank rivers after betting the turn, villain will fold everything you beat and call with everything better than your hand. A pair of aces won't fold since his hand looks exactly like a draw.

Hey,

i ran some simulations meanwhile...given he opens 100% and say 4bet like 7% (assumption) i received:

-20% flop jamming range (no slowplays included as default by hands like sets)
--> any Qhi flush or better, any TPTK with backup (56, FD),any set, any pair incl. TP, bottom2pair with backup (56,overs,gutter,fd),any pair+fd+oesd

-34% calling range
-->any Qx,any fd,any 47,kk,any 56,any 7 with some backup (BDF,gutter,overs) that are left in his range after excluding raising range
-46% folding range

Just by looking at the number - do you think its realisitc cause it feels getting a fold 46% of the time on that flop seems a little bit high?


Do you think i missed something/could adjust my range better? Obv. the better our assumptions regards his range are on flop, the better we can use it for our decisions on turn.

Another question:

Say villain only jams flop with 74 if he has a backup (?), what kind of the 47 combos that left in his calling range on flop:

-is he jamming
-is he calling
-is he (ever) folding(???)

Any thoughts here?

What hands are you expecting him to fold that beat us on a 2s river? I see KQ and KK. That's it. Meanwhile, there are a ton of missed draws that could bet the river if we check. I'm not saying I like a check/call against everybody, I think check/folding is a better line against someone passive or someone with good hand-reading ability, but it's a much better line than betting.

With no reads this is a very annoying spot, feels like whatever we do on the turn will put us in tough spots, especially if we check. In these situations I believe betting is usually the best play and let villain make the tough decisions. Yea we're probably bet/calling while behind a good % of the time but there's a good chance we misplay our hand if we check the turn, either by folding the best hand and/or enabling him to realize his equity (and bluff equity) on the river... plus we get the right odds to call a shove even if we decided to half pot for some reason.

I am not sure what kind of range I would assign for him calling the river. But I do not see it as all that releveant.

Again, he has to have it to call you. And keep in mind that we are considering a situation where you are triple barreling. This means he smoothed turn.

Now, even assuming he plays perfectly to a river bet and calls A235 (which I think is a long shot), I will say again: he has to have it to call you.

I maintain that there are significantly more hands that call turn and CANNOT call river (someone could do math here, I don't care enough to) than there are hands that beat us at showdown that did not ship the turn.

Therefore, shipping river puts him to the test where even if he plays perfectly, which I highly doubt, I maintain that most people, who have not shipped the turn, have to fold >50% of the time (people ship the turn rather than slow play the vast majority of the time here because we are not bet folding draws-like the one we have).

Whereas, if we C the river he could be reasonably bluffing a huge % of the time with w.e. (we only have to fold 33% of the time for a river bluff to be profitable for him [assuming our turn barrel was ~$200]...or are you telling me that you are CC river >33% of the time and not getting owned?) and we would be put to the test. And I promise you, it is a lot harder to play that river correctly, CC vs CF, than it is for him to play that river correctly if checked to.

So it is an easy ship in my book.