Aria game this last weekend. Old Man Coffee (OMC) & Book of Mormon (BOM) are my opponents in the hand. Old Man Coffee is who he is: fit or fold, won't check raise, every bet is for value only. Book of Mormon is a metrosexual 20-something, kind of a know-it-all who derides the play of others. Friends with a couple of the locals in the game, so may be a local, too.

Onto the hand:

Hero (BB) AsKs5s5d
OMC (UTG+1)
BOM (HJ)

OMC limps, another limper, HJ raise to 40, SB cold calls, I call in BB, OMC & other limper call. 200 in pot

Flop of AxAyJz. Checked to me and I bet pot. OMC calls(!). fold to HJ who pumps it up w/a min raise(?). I call, OMC calls(!). 1400 in pot. HJ has 1200 behind, OMC and I cover.

Turn is AxAyJz(8y). Brings a flush draw, but nothing else. I check, looking to re-evaluate after both OMC and HJ act. OMC checks, HJ bets....380? Leaving himself 820.

At this point, I have 95% certainty that OMC has the remaining ace, naked (the other 5% is him having AKQJ and the pot is locked up for him so he's milking us...but in the two days I've played with him I've never seen him doing anything but ABC - bet when ahead, call when drawing to nuts, and fold everything else). Given that I have the other A....HJ must have Jacks full.

His small raise/bet on turn lead me to believe that he's trying to pot control while still getting value against the aces. What does a CRAI look-like from me, here? Can that be AJ/A8? I've been playing pretty passively from up front, but BOM has only been at the table for an hour or so (was at next table over and talking to his friend in the game for couple of hours prior), though has made his presence known, but i haven't really gotten mixed up with much in that time.

Thanks in advance

ETA: OMC doesn't have Jacks full here. He would fold that after the raise/call on the flop. He's that tight

Dude could def. be bluffing but it's not worth my stack to find out as I'm not folding river if I call here. I'd probably just let it go on flop after min raised.

op you need to think about what you are doing a lot more critically. if you decide you want to play this hand pre you need to be a lot more clever. potting the flop in this spot is atrocious. i don't think i ever just bet out here. as played after you get minraised otf i just muck it

Yea agreed to just fold on flop and your sizing on the flop gave your hand away (so they know you have an Ace and HJ is just value towning you). Usually just bet like 1/3 - 1/2 on flop or even check behind. You're obviously smashed here by at least the HJ

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If I want to play AK55 ss pre to an aggressive raiser I need to be more clever?

Potting into pre-flop raiser is a play that I think confuses a lot of grinders, but YMMV.

Onto my specific question though, if I know that HJ doesn't have an ace, does my play make money? Or put another way: an esteemed poster such as yourself has been bet into for pot sized bet on flop and you hold under boat, get called and CRAI on turn....what is your muck/call ratio?

it might confuse them (it doesn't btw) but that doesn't mean the bet is a good one or making you money.

I do it with nuts, near nuts, and draws alike. I appreciate the advice, but my PSB isn't transparent here given that I mix it up.

But again, I was asking about the turn....

Try not to be stupid, argumentative AND derisive *at the same time*. Instead, choose one unbearable character flaw. "No" is the answer to the question in the title for every street, and yes, that includes the turn.

You should fold, you should also have folded to the raise and preflop

i shouldn't have phrased my response that way. you just need to muck the hand pre. i just meant that some players can get away with playing this type of hand pre in certain spots because they know to not play hands the way you played this one.

as for the turn, you should be check/giving up every time after making the mistake of potting the flop and calling the minraise.

If he folds around 2/3rds of the time, then sure you win money. You know villain best..

And honestly, potting flop in this situation doesn't seem like the best play.

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Thanks.

re: potting flop: in a vacuum you're correct. But this hand wasn't played in a vacuum. I understand where everyone is coming from with flop comment, but realize that when that isn't the question it could be for a reason. Just like your "you know villian best" comment, table dynamic was best known by me alone.

I find it hard to deal with the smugness of posters on here, and it makes all interaction lacking in civility. While I came here looking for an answer to the question posed, I got critiques of things not asked. I understand some are trying to help, but really help for questions not asked (ie - preflop/flop play) isn't help. Not really a criticism, but an explanation as why posters might seem less than grateful when the answer isn't to the question asked.

I'll tailor my questions to provide only information on the street listed in the question to prevent in the future, though I'm not sure the responses would be as informed.

Thanks anyway for those that chose to respond; I can sort through the noise.

Don't ask for a in a vacuum response. I.e. disregarding all other action. Pretty sure everyone here is saying you shouldn't be in a spot like this if properly played on previous streets. Are you dense? As played, fold turn because dude is so nutted here. Why bet so small without the nuts

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This.