It wasn't to convince about chinese grinders. It was to convince about this task being quite pathetic with regards to volume/work ethic.

Players from Siera Lione are going to be much more focused at a relative stake, volume is going to be worth so much more and they would have much more motivation. There is not really an argument against this.

This challenge is litterally only 11k hands a day which is only say 10 hours work a day and the conditions are much better, even 14 hours a day is not that bad. Just saying look at what people are capable of doing outside of poker.

This is why western countries are the biggest losers and the worse players, lives are way too easy, people don't push themselves. If poker takes off in india then they will probably dominate. The global economy is always shifting towards being based on games.

If I was going to provide an argument for the 'eastern' grinders:

Sorry for a noob question, but why is there a dispute on the odds when parimutuel betting is possible? It would determine the odds automatically (by how much either side would be willing to put up into the pot). Or is it exactly what's happening, with the word 'odds' referring to how much the bettors against, acting as a united team, are willing to put up so that OmahaDonk agree to risk the full $50K? I mean anyone thinking that the odds are too good for OD has an option just to decide personally to not bet, while OD should have an option to bet only a partial amount if he thinks the odds are too bad for him.

are you taking a betting side in this challenge?
do you want to take over the challenge personally?

just wondering, since you so desperately trying to show your knowledge of this topic.

This is happening - still looking for action. Didn't Urubu last 2 days?

Sorry, I'm kinda too poor to join (even if I threw $1-5K in, it would change hardly anything, and I'm gonna save money up for possible future bets on myself )

It doesn't require a special Stars rep: the judges can have OD show the desktop via Teamviewer while requesting audit files and hand histories in the client and forwarding the emails to them. A collusion scrutiny is necessary, though.

there is no clear rules

no clue when starting date might be

no escrow

no odds set


Once you get this figured out then people will bet. Urubu set all that out very clearly and was starting in a couple days when he proposed the bet. You are talking about playing 10 different limits and every single game type without clarifying what it is your even going to be trying to do.

To figure out an escrow, it usually goes you find someone that is reputable that both bettors and better agree on, sometimes you might make a thread like this and someone will volunteer to do it but that task is usually on the person proposing the bet. It seems as if you are waiting for someone to come forward to be the escrow from your posts in here.


So set some rules, clarify the EXACT STAKES/GAME TYPE (HU,ZOOM,6M,FR)/WINRATE STIPULATION or just copy/paste the urubu bet

If you are worried about enough games running then don't do the bet. Once WSOP is over action will pick up again.

You have said something about 10-1 odds 5-1 odds, idk what the odds you have in mind are. You've done some back and forth so far and have heard the wisdom Mt Fishnoob has to offer, lets make it happen.


GL

You might argue that starting the negotation early has taken too much of your attention, but imo OD was right doing so - the forum has a lot of time to democratically work out the best rules for the bet. Of course no one is gonna send money right away, but announcing prospective amounts people are willing to put up and the rules they wish to be implemented is useful for both sides to get a grasp on what the market situation is. That's especially important for OD because promises of big action would stimulate him to emigrate sooner.

Fair enough - I'll look for action/escrow and write out the rules when I am closer to starting.

To OP, You claim to not have played online since BF and and claim to have never come close to putting in this much volume. In case you didnt know, playing high volume and mass multitabling day in day out will reduce your winrate substaantially. Also in case you werent aware, at least for no limit and I suspect similarly for PLO, NL 100 in 2014 is easily tougher than pre BF midstakes.
You are either leaving out some important info or you are very naive ...

Afaik the average skill level at 100NL in July 2014 compared to April 2011 has increased significantly more so than at 100PLO across the same time span. Right now there are probably a fair number of players grinding 100NL as their main game whose skill level in absolute terms at NL is high enough that if they were to have that same absolute skill level in PLO could probably be some type of 2/4, 3/6ish grinder. For example on a scale of 0 (brain-dead) to 100 (perfect play), avg skill level at 100NL was lets say 65 and went to 71, whereas for PLO it probably went from 52 to 55 or something like that.

Idk, but this really seems like some kinda hustle if he really hasn't been multi-tabling on "Euro sites" from the states like a fair number of players have been doing. I would have the same feeling towards someone who after running 5 miles per day on a treadmill for the last year wanted to try the ashman triple marathon in 24 hours and get sick odds on a fairly significant amount of money to do it after recently seeing an experienced long distance runer attempt and then give up after the first 10 miles, even though he was braziliand. ;D

Anyway gl to both groups of people looking to bet on/against this, pretty fun to spectate and see how prop bets play out over time (the donkpredator/fgators one takes the cake), but I certainly wont be going anywhere near this one with my wallet. ~

Fwiw, not so long ago I was told by a US PLO grinder that it's still possible to fire 20 tables at once across a bunch of US-serving sites and a couple of stakes (50 & 100, iirc, or maybe even at a single stake), I guess it's even possible at Bovada 100 & 200 & 400 alone.

bump

Do you think he is going to tell "us" the truth? That would be silly.

I cant believe this went on for 11 pages

My 2+2 -> edit options -> 100 posts per page

why^

you spelled 1rd wrong.

Give up Tal?

This is way too random.

I'm leaving St. Louis - not sure if and when this will take off, but I'd like to leave the option open!

Yeah thanks for doing us such a big favor.

Glad I read through 7 pages for no results. Great closure to this thread.

Thanks for bumping, you robbed a few minutes from my toilette time.

it would also be possible on natural8 and probably be way easier