I don't think it's fair to require ploowned to help in the witch hunt after being cleared. If he wants to help voluntarily that's fine but it's absurd to require it of him as part of resolving his innocence. Nobody can ever speak to whether somebody is using live assistance of some sort while playing but it is a guarantee that Ploowned is not a bot being operated or managed by a human.

PLOwned, I don't know if you remember but I talked with you for about 10 min one day about what it took to be on the leaderboard week in and week out, how many hands you play per day, how many hours you play per day, etc. etc. ..anyways,to all the haters, most of the time when bot accusations, site rigging games for action or any other conspiracy minded topic comes up I am all on board and tend to lean towards the idea that where there is smoke there is fire. However on this topic I got PLOwned's back. Haters going to hate bro, comes with the territory.

Not true. In the last half a year before getting busted, the bots crushed 500z. For a period of time around 10 of the 15 biggest winners on 500z were bots. Also, two of the bot "mother accounts" played 1/2, 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10 for years with success.

I don't think you are a bot fwiw

does stars msplo still have a significant bot problem?

The fact that this whole thread started with my name being on a bot list ,
And then cleared both by security and by data crunchers ,
but yet my legitimacy is still an ongoing debate , with the only evidence being :
" Oh , he's proven to not be a bot ? Well then he is a bot owner ! how I know ?
He plays differently / better than he used 2 " .
all while I have never done anything wrong , in my 11 year old career,
Is both scary , depressing , and disgusting to me .
And should be to all of you.

oh and September 28 , if you look at the previous page , you will see that I HAVE reported suspected bots to wpn .

The only difference is that I did it silently .
because even while I am 99% sure these accounts are bots , There is still a chance they are innocent , and I didn't want to do to them what has , and still is being done to me .

fwiw, i fully agree with this post.

That's cool.

My only semi-counter to that is that you play a lot of hands and therefore have a lot of data on players. In the PS thread, presentations of data like from Shwein helped people truly see how unlikely theses accounts were to be human. Everyone in here knows data is king, if it come from HEM, OM, PT, RTR, etc.

One extremely important point I would make is that when someone first presents a spreadsheet of 20-30 stats with several people listed, it is extremely important to not list actual account names, but to just list it as account 1, account 2, account 3, etc. And then ask the thread, given this data do any of these accounts look suspicious.

It is of cause extremely unfortunate, when legit accounts gets frozen for a short period of time during investigation. However, for the greater purpose and the long-term fight against bots, it could be a necessary trade off in specific cases imo. This should of cause only be done based on very strong data-driven arguments (which was not in the case against you afaik remember).

Not sure tbh

i've played a good amount with PLOwned the last few months and can confirm he is NOT a bot.

On another note, I was playing last week with GA failure who was also min betting for hours across 3 tables at 10/20 and 25/50. I didn't see him for a few days until recently. He's never used a min bet strategy like this..so I have to assume he's using some sort of program..?

Just to add to whats been established. I know viebu/plowned for more than 10 years and he is one of the most clean/honest players i've met and a standup guy in general. And i know him and his family personally, not just by chatting.

Please stop accusing him of any connection to bots. He plays an unorthodox style and has barely even used pt/hm before.
I will put my reputation on the line of him being totally clean in all aspects.

^ +1

I've chatted it up with PLOwned on some fridays while grinding the end stretch of the Beast. (like complaining about how a friday evening has been ruined because some idiot is pushing for the 2.5k bracket when they clearly have no chance forcing everyone else at the top to play).Sometimes he berates people at the tables for their stupid plays and stuff. Not to mention his stats are just so different from the stats of the suspected accounts. Highly unlikely to be a bot.

As if it needs further proving, I'm a PLO fish and I sat HU vs PLOwned in NLO a few weeks ago. During the first hand, I chatted "Good thing this is NLO so I won't get PLOwned" and he immediately responded something like "lol guess so." And this was at an off-peak time too.

Any regs that play on WPN post here ? I have suspicions of a handful of accounts at midstakes I think could be bots, but am not sure. I don't have the data analysis to back up my claims that someone like Grethe would supply. I could definitely be wrong, but would be nice to hear what actual other regs/people think. Would enjoy discussing this. PM me.

Which accounts?

There are a few players I'm 99% sure are bots, but they all suck so no point in outing them. Let them keep donating.

After running almost 10 buyins under EV vs these idiots, I've changed my mind. Here are a few suspected bots:



Also, "blimey"

That samplesize means nothing

400 hands with players at the same stakes playing at the same time playing within 1 percentage point of each other on key metrics absolutely means something.

no, it really doesn't. looks like a 400 hand sample of 5 low stakes regs to me

Hopney and a few others as well all basically have the same exact stats across the board even when you delve into some obscure ones. Donato isn't a bot, though.

I have a decently larger sample than that but they aren't gonna do anything about it anyways.

Why do you think they are bots?

They seem like weak players...

But also sample size...

because theres not a bunch of weak regs going around making the same exact decisions time and time again like graduates from some ****ty PLO academy.

still, step up the sample size before making accusations....for so many reasons.

I have 10k+ on dancingQQ and these stats do not represent this player's style, imo. Not saying is/isn't a bot.



Also: lol -10 BI @ 500 hand sample

I am suspecting some bots across multiple stakes on Chico Network... May not be news to people itt here... But I would like to know what the consensus is on what is a good sample size to start having definitive evidence of an account being a bot accout; or multiple accounts being linked i.e. bot ring...

Specifically talking about the PLO tables... Cheers