All this talk of refunds..I haven't got jack $hit refund for playing against these PLO bots.

Yep. Nobody has. Including people that have played millions of hands and been cheated out of 100k+. I'm hoping that tomorrow Nagy announces cash game refunds and that they are somewhat fair. The more days that go by without a refund the more I suspect there will never be one.

I got $2.24 refund

Has the game quality improved?

Pretty uneducated on my side boys. Do y'all know if PT4 still works after the most recent update? Mine isn't for some reason.

Holdem manager no longer works, I've emailed support a couple of times but not had a response

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This is correct - I have analysis on this - I just need to go through the database again to identify account names.

However - I just came across this thread - and the hand histories i have are for accounts that no longer play - or have been banned.

Most of them appeared in Joe Ingrams latest spreadsheet that he shared online with Phil Nagey.

Ya i don't see any playing anymore. They will probably just make new accounts in a few months.

If you get beat by bots, quit plo forever.

Agree 100%. Yes bots are a form of cheating and should be reported but you should still be able to profit well off them. The only advantage they have is removal of human emotion. While they're consistent in play if you pay attention it's no different than someone playing the same way every time. If you can't exploit that it's not their fault you're losing it's your own.

Have fun exploiting bots when you have 3 at a table and they are card sharing. I'm sure you have a massive edge....

this is harmful info, a new player could read this and think you actually know what your talking about

many of the people in this thread including myself have actually played significant volume VS the bots on WPN, and studied them

So have I. If you don't mind please elaborating. I, in no way, think the site shouldn't have gone after them but blaming them for being a losing plo player is a stretch imo. I've played against all of the alleged ones as well and have seen the shared stats.

I agree 100% if ones are card sharing you obviously can't really beat that but if ones aren't and are only programmed to play a certain way....very beatable. The only advantage a bot has is removal of human emotion and cal play longer hours. If you believe differently I'm gladly open ears. Bots don't adapt and don't exploit. Players who pay attention, however, can.

Same as mtts. Very beatable with or without bots.

I agree 100% this form isn't beatable. Probably wasn't specific enough on my end. Ones that are just programmed to play and aren't used to share cards are very beatable. If you disagree with this go back and study bud.

It doesn't matter if they're beatable if they are still good enough to have a positive winrate by beating up on recs and taking $ out of the ecosystem.

They may be beatable, but they wouldn't run if they weren't profitable. Which means you are making less money than you could have, because they are draining money from the real players' pockets.

Dear Acr, wtf

Laughable sample. The stakes you play do not have any bots in them. The highest they have been seen up to is 15/30 and that was only a few random instances (same for 10/20). Even at 5/10 they don't play every table and over the past few months they have mostly been avoiding that stake.

There is a also major development in the botting fiasco. I believe that the baseline bot has been modified and now there is different forms of PLO bots on WPN. There is a handful of the 2.0 bots and still a bunch of the unmodified bots. I do not want to mention the strategical adjustments yet until I have mountains of data to back up my suspicions. Hopefully statname will update to support the new software so I don't have to manually collect hands as that will take a long time.

Currently there is around 30 active bots at PLO cash, most are playing PLO200 and lower.

I think the absolute strongest regs are able to eek out a very slight edge when playing 50bb or less with 2 bots at the table. As stacks get deeper this edge disappears because their card removal edge gets more pronounced. 3 or 4 bots at a 6max table and I don't care if you are rain man you are gonna get smoked.

From what I understand there's a ton card sharing to the point where going back and studying doesn't mean anything, studying isn't gonna do anything against this type of cheating. All there is is don't play PLO or don't play on this site. Stop downplaying the issue, too many have done it meanwhile these guys are taking out fortunes that could be going to real players.

You say it's no big deal and then people like HOG comes in shows what a real **** show WPN's PLO scene is.

Joey Ingram went after WPN and we all afreed it was necessary. Why is he not going after partypoker now after all that has been happening?

Like I said in the other thread, it's not his market. Would ROW players make videos about ACR and US regulated sites? It wouldn't make any sense. He can't player there...

He cant play there? Are you serious? Lets not derail the thread but everyone party is VPN friendly and everyone can play there with 0% risk of getting caught. Even a very basic VPN, they simple dont care.

Hello, first post here.
Wanted to PM some of you but couldn't.

I'd like to ask you guys to PM me evidence of botting. Anything that you have. I mainly created this account to talk to Hand_Of_God about his grievances. I have a youtube video project on US online poker and I'm focusing my work on the ridiculous botting situation.

The reason I made videos about ACR is because I played on ACR, promoted ACR on my content, and it's the biggest site for American poker players to play on.

I have no idea what is going on w/ Party Poker and haven't played on the site for years.

Why don't you make a video on what is happening if you are familiar with it? I'm not the only one who can do something about it.