guys, maybe more than 1 cheater was found and after months investigation, stars decided send to all...

i don't think there was only one guy cheating, because too many people are receiving money.

I doubt Mickan would be cheating as he has lost hundreds of thousands and is considered the fi*h

so now we have ruled pretty much every1 of the list out....

Ive played some 25-50/50 100 in that period + alot in Jan+ this year


Ive never played against these nicks and I did not get any refund.



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Same here.

Maybe if you win money from said villains you don't get reimbursed?

Good guess tgsm

My point was people saying they didn't get any money but played in December may still have been playing in the games of the cheaters

i had opened a similar thread earlier.... is it only happening in omaha games?

is it possible that maybe a fraudulent insider in stars maybe found a way to steal money from accounts and was caught?

i think stars should def announce who did it to also discourage people from doing it again

the refund was 12k

I just talked to MrSmits today, he got 10k from stars... Told him to get in here and post..

holy smokes, so lets assume the total refund was like 50-200k, i would assume that maybe 20% of the total sum that was won cheating got seized. what are your guys guesses... pretty scary if a total (worst case) of 500k-1million was won cheating.

i think you are seeing this the wrong way.

1st of all, remember stars could just close the cheater account and confiscate the money and don't refund any cent to us. most company would do this. players never ever would say anything... it was 4-5months ago, last year database, nobody noticed.

stars doing this refund, its bad marketing for them (we wouldn't be talking about this now and probably we would feel more safe w/o being aware) and they still choose to refund players. off course they knew regs would talk about this over 2p2.

btw i think they don't make public the cheater screename because, what if you had lose 20buy ins to the cheater at 25/50, but only 10 or 20% was because of the cheat? how you would be if stars say player X was the cheater and you see you are 100k down vs playerX? i mean, sometimes you play vs a cheater, but when you go all in AAT8ds x AA83r and he binks 542r flop.. i mean, its 'impossible' to figure exactly amount cheater stole from the players.. stars staff need make some guess in couple spots. its f hard to find the most fair number for everyone. i think thats why they don't make it public. almost everyone would email stars saying ''holy **** i deserve more money, i lose 50k to this player, why you only sent me $12k ?''

imo stars is doing a very good job for us and for the poker world.. think about how many times weird things happenned to us at other sites and we never got $1back.

Yeah i agree with urubu.

admitting that players got cheated is bad for stars......
seizing funds and not reimbursing players would be worse....

so....what kind of cheating happened?
most likely.....botting or colluding.

those cheaters must be pretty confident to attack HS @ stars....
and well rolled...

pretty sure they made their way through limits.....

what let me wonder,
how much did they make....?
and how much did i contribute....?

no matter at what site...

anyway....for me this means to immed stop plo with more than 2 players...

my results over last 6 month were insanely bad anyways....

tx...for feeding my paranoia

It would be nice to know the full details, so people can know what to look out for. I suspect it was just MAing, or uing a VPN maybe.

I think stars are in a hard spot to out the names, as its an unregulated market and someone may take issues into their own hands.

It would be nice to know too if stars attempted Contact with the law if it was something so serious.