Originally Posted by krmont22
Probably not. I've calculated that it is possible to be about the same, but you need to be playing 35-40 vpip 5 and 6 handed without 3betting much and going to showdown way more than any winning player ever has.
Can you post your calculations? I made the below post before reading yours or making any calculations as I think being this close to 2012 we might as well just "wait and see" what happens then spend time creating formulas and calculating a speculative change. But if you've already done that then i'm v. curious to see the work.
--- cross posted from SSPLO ---
The changes definitely appear to be on the "moneygrab" side of things but again nobody *really* knows the affect it will have on things until next year. 99% of the complaining and of all posts on the topic (in the Internet Poker) forum are NLHE specific (and even moreso weighted towards low stakes CAP) so it's hard to take the general overall feel as true for PLO.
I think it will affect PLO players differently to NLHE because there is a larger disparity in profitable VPIP/loose styles. In PLO the nits playing 17/10 are going to suffer the worst and it will get less and less bad as the player gets loser. There are some people playing profitable styles with 30%+ VPIPs and if they are the exception to dozens of tighter players sprinkled with a few fish playing looser then they may actually end up noticing an increase. Similarly to the TAGish players around 25/20 who play at tables with 1-2 "nits" and 1-2 looser players, they may not notice as much of a decrease as the NLHE players are alluding that *everyone* will.
Like I said before though only time will tell and it's all speculation at this point.
I'm going to be looking for a tonne of data early next year from PLO players of all stakes and playing all styles to put together some sort of table/database which will give people a rough idea of their VPP earn rate at various stakes with various playing styles. If you're interested in helping out by simply sharing some of your stats (only from play starting in 2012) please PM me or get in touch with me.