******OFFICIAL STARS REGULARS THREAD****** - Page 3 - High Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

Th3_S1aught3r · 01-03-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gordo16

I am going to make a legitimate effort to not play above 10/20 for the entire year of 2010. Let there be grind!

my goal aswell..

gordo16 · 01-03-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by m_reed05

Don't think either are unethical, but I'd probably just tell him the rules.

this, and just always tell him the rules... a guy like that isn't going to magically become even close to a winning a player after finding out what the rules are but there is definitely a chance that he leaves if he feels confused by the game/software.

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Originally Posted by lwrunner103

terrible goal.

what can I say ashton, we don't all feed on the stress of our degeneracy like yourself

**sc000t** · 01-03-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

so a fish called me down and lost and then spammed chat asking why he lost claiming he had the winner..then he does it again and explains what hand he thought he had, and it's clearly that he thinks you can play 2, 3, or 4 cards out of your hand.

Which option is unethical in your opinion:

A: Ignoring him
B: Telling him the rules

Does your opinion change if its HU instead of a full 6 Max?

Tell him the current level stakes are glitchy and the site makes "sure" the high stake games run smoothly and ask him to play higher.

If its 6max then challenge him to HU then do what I just said above.

grizy · 01-03-2010, 02:10 PM

I'd tell the guy the rules no question. Players that awful can't be allowed to leave a site because he thinks the software is bugged.

LearnedfromTV · 01-03-2010, 03:28 PM

i'd def tell him and no one at the table should have a legit beef with you, this is different from tapping the tank, it's a matter of fair play - if another player explain to someone how their strategy is wrong you have the right to be pissed, but explaining the rules to someone who is confused is just a courtesy. i wouldn't call not telling him unethical but when he keeps losing pots he thinks he should win he's gonna quit and never come back

i'd draw the line at telling someone who chats about it and keeping quiet if they aren't saying anything to indicate their misunderstanding, even if it's obvious. Like, if someone stacks off on KQJTx with A654 and just reloads and keeps going let it go, but if he says "wtf" say "gotta play two" or something. if he talks back, make a joke about learning that the hard way yourself, etc.

Doorbread · 01-03-2010, 03:34 PM

Tell him. Wait awhile but tell him.

Recon20k · 01-03-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sc000t

Tell him the current level stakes are glitchy and the site makes "sure" the high stake games run smoothly and ask him to play higher.

If its 6max then challenge him to HU then do what I just said above.

I'm disappointed.

LearnedfromTV · 01-03-2010, 05:06 PM

Can we try to consolidate vpp/hand info under the new system in this thread? There's a long one in internet poker but only scattered low stakes plo numbers as far as i can tell. I haven't played a serious session this year and won't till after pca, just hoping some of you sne grinders could throw out some numbers for 2/4-10/20. krmont?

krmont22 · 01-03-2010, 05:28 PM

It's very easy to figure out for your own play. Add the "rake" to the report you run. Take that number, multiply by 5.5 and divide by hands played. It's way more important to do your own since it can vary up to like 20pct for certain players. My numbers will pretty much never match the average player's.

LearnedfromTV · 01-03-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

It's very easy to figure out for your own play. Add the "rake" to the report you run. Take that number, multiply by 5.5 and divide by hands played. It's way more important to do your own since it can vary up to like 20pct for certain players.

you mean in hem or the stars audit thing? wasnt sure if hem rake method was same as stars.

edit - looks like hem has vpp directly as a stat but based on 5x, so easy to adjust it to 5.5. nvm/thx

krmont22 · 01-03-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LearnedfromTV

you mean in hem or the stars audit thing? wasnt sure if hem rake method was same as stars.

The HEM rake feature works fine. It just takes total rake/players at table which is exactly how stars calculates VPPs now.

Kyle · 01-03-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

so a fish called me down and lost and then spammed chat asking why he lost claiming he had the winner..then he does it again and explains what hand he thought he had, and it's clearly that he thinks you can play 2, 3, or 4 cards out of your hand.

Which option is unethical in your opinion:

A: Ignoring him
B: Telling him the rules

Does your opinion change if its HU instead of a full 6 Max?

I do not think either of these would be unethical. You are not required to respond to a player in chat. Hell I have chat turned off the vast majority of the time I play.

As for telling him the rules in 6 max. It would probably piss someone off at the table, but I do not think it is unethical at all. The man deserves the right to know the rules of a game at least.

krmont22 · 01-03-2010, 05:48 PM

Is it unethical assuming you have seen his chat to intentionally ignore him to take advantage of him? I know at a casino if a player asks for a rule or even what the best hand possible right now is, the dealer answers.

Kyle · 01-03-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by krmont22

Is it unethical assuming you have seen his chat to intentionally ignore him to take advantage of him? I know at a casino if a player asks for a rule or even what the best hand possible right now is, the dealer answers.

For some yes, for some no. Only you can answer this question.

**sc000t** · 01-03-2010, 07:01 PM

To be clear, I was in no way being serious with that post above which I thought would be obvious.

I think it is unethical to go out of your way to take advantage of it.

But...I certainly don't think it's the responsibility of his opponents to educate him. I wouldn't fault any player at the table for keeping their mouths shut and I wouldn't look down on it at all.

What about playing a player that you know is drunk? Do the same people quit and let them sober up? Or at least try and talk them out of playing because they've had a few to many?

What about a random billionaire that barely understands NLHE that constantly gets filleted at nosebleeds? Should somone step in and explain certain strategies to him?

I mean I guess I consider those two situations about the same. I don't think I'd be mad at anyone for speaking up and saying something to the player in question. But I really don't think it's a "must" or that you're a low life if you don't.