Many fishes def. discover the waiting list situation. Most of them are like one/two tabling and are def looking at the lobby now and then (probably dont minimize it)

I agree that a lack of etiquette is a big problem to, but what you are posting is not a biggest part of it and also
"I'm not gonna play HU with a crusher, so I sit out as well."
Then you are almost as bad as the otther guys that sits out. If you cant play like 20-30 hands HU with a better player you cant complain about the other guys that sits out.

Couldn't disagree more with that. It's a six max table. I am a six max player. I am vocal in the chatbox about my willingness to play 4handed+. I have no interest in playing HU, which I never play, against a world class player.

does it seem so silly after you end up losing alot of money playing in these lineups against some of the best players at the highest stakes? I have a few people who pay rec or small stakes and have asked me that question while ago, why do you guys sit out or why not playing with x, x, x, player who consist of guys up hundreds of thousands. I tried out your silly theory and it turns out it is smart to for 99 percent of people


I'm also going to guess you aren't playing in these games if you think that. But really your thinking on it seems like whoa is this a level, how can all but a handful of people actually think that it isn't "silly" and actually be walking the walk but from the large number of people i've either heard say the same thing to me or on message boards shows how bad people are at making money

i agree huge wait lists are bad, but i think worst problem ever is bad attitude/etiquette from pros. sitting out while fish take a break and is still at table, damn ****** god, this is terrible !!!!! how people do this?

i do as czi, i keep playing if fish is still at table, but will sit out if happens to play hu w the best player of the table while other players are sitting out, just to sit in when fish is back.

i don't know how to fix this situation, but i think this need to be fixed. this is killing plo... this killed holdem, its killing plo too. 1-2years ago plo pros were more gamblers, people used to play vs regs, nowadays most players never play regs...

Just take a look at the 10/20 deep running right now, some definitly do play against regs, such a sick lineup.

I've gave a solution to this in this past. Apparently stars didn't read it or just don't give a ****.
It's ridiculous, at least for me, that someone is playing at some tables but are sit out at others. Either you are taking a break or you don't. I suggest that the sit out time in these situations to be greatly reduce. For example, after 1 minute, a message saying "Because you're currently playing in other games you're not allowed to be sit out at this table. Please press the 'I'm back' button within the next 30 seconds or you'll be automatically removed from this table".

sorry about your big loss. You probably didnt get my post since you thought I meant that everyone should take a tough lineup, nosebleed shot whenever they got the chance. My experience comes mostly fro midstakes and that where my concern lies. No regs seems to be willing to play even 30 hands against a better player, even they have every oportunity in the world to make it long term plus EV, cause of couple of big blinds they loose in EV.

So if Urubu wants a break from the heavy nitty table selecting hes doing at regular basis, let him do that and embrace him for it cause he is a decent player.

PLO used to be a game for people that liked gambling and action, Its possible to take calculated risk. Its not a black/white situation. Just please start tables. And please sit for those 40 hands when the fish goes to sleep. Cause when he wakes up, you havent only become a better player, but youve also set a good tone so the fish get the entrainment he¨s there for.

sitting out while fish is still at the table is def bad in so many ways

not playing HU is a bit different, but one should continue at least a while

If two players keep on playing on a 6m table while 4 people sit out, the one sitting out latest should be kicked off after y orbits --> HU.

^^^ such a pure solution and logistics are simple, how this hasn't been put into effect a long time ago is beyond me.

so did stars buy ftp for 500 million?

i think that was the money owing and the 'deal' with DOJ would give a diff price tag for ftp.

does anyone know?

just wondering how long it will take for stars to recoup the money and be on the + for the purchase.

I think the value comes more from buying out their biggest competitor (and good pr for saving ftp bankrolls) than actually profiting from ftp, so it'd probably be pretty much impossible to answer that question even if you had all the numbers available.

id be shocked if they didnt have an unwritten agreement to re enter the american market.

def worth experimenting, u should write to stars about it in their zoo thread

Me too, here's the next step

PokerStars in “Advanced Talks” to Buy New Jersey Casino

profiting from direct and indirect profit of buying FTP. I agree direct profit from operating FTP cannot be +ev but market control, image, and etc all has to add up to monetary value of >$500million (will it really?).

im curious to know (discuss) how long it will take to recoup the acquisition cost. And imo its likely the 'price tag' of 500M for FTP was alleviated a bit with a deal with DOJ, and the article above is interesting.

will be interesting to see how it'll turn out.

** I'm not clear with the numbers though. I think there were few 100M seized by the DOJ which was released via a deal etc etc. I did not read entire thread on nvg

No competitors now. They can do what they want with rake etc and people are still gonna play. Like micro / mid stakes PLO rake. No one else to challenge can take the games to death

you guys forget one of the biggest reasons for buying ftp, isai scheinberg basically purchased a get out of jail free card by relieving the doj of us player debt. I mean if you are a multi billionaire and are given the option of jail time or paying out a large portion of your wealth for a potentially profitable acquisition its a pretty easy choice.

hmm

When was the last time someone saw a billionaire going to jail? It's like a club and they hand out the "get out of jail" cards at the entrance.

Madoff.

wrong

allen stanford got life (110 years in prison) for similar charges to what isai could have faced (wire fraud/money laundering)... this year he finally got convicted of running the largest ponzi scheme (hi ftp!) in US history, to the tune of around $7billion

"What's your biggest downswing in $$$?"

PLO variance ain't got nuthin on ponzis

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hey, what do you mean by table monitor? sounds cool